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The Rural Voice, 1989-07, Page 24problem facing our society, facing our ministries of agriculture, is which of these two groups of producers is really the most important to support: the commercial 9 per cent, who are large, well organized, well managed, highly capitalized farm producers, or the 60 to 70 per cent of the actual landholders who are the bulk of the farmers in our society but who produce, in effect, very little. And if you wanted to be very blunt about it, they produce the surplus which we can't get rid of. So in strictly economic terms, the unfortunate picture is that we really do not need the production from about 60 per cent of Canadian farmers at this point in time. And the government will always be tempted, in order to retain its competitive edge, to support in large part the commercial farm producers, simply because of the need to produce the commodities which can be exported competitively. The likelihood then that there might well be two types of farm pol- icy, a policy for commercial producers and a policy for other farmers, I refer to as "decoupling" — the type of sup- port that the average general farmer can expect will be less commercially oriented (i.e. it may be tied to envir- onmental management — and in addition support will be given to all manner of rural development) than the type of support that will go into the fully commercial producers. The 60 per cent of the farm oper- ators in Ontario and in Canada gener- ally will be expected to remain on the land, to undertake some farming and generate some income from that, but in order to participate in the same quality of life as everybody else will have to also, as they're already doing, undertake non-farm activities, which bring in extra earnings as well as social and psychological satisfactions, the fundamental thing being that they're still on the land, they're still farming, and they're still basically doing what they have always wanted to do, but their lifestyle, and their work style, is already and will have to go on changing somewhat. This is the relatively new factor in the mix of considerations for agricul- tural policy, and what I would like to offer here is that from the European perspective, the environment has come forward almost like the cavalry in the western movie saving the day, and the environment is offering one of the ways in which European policy makers in agriculture are trying to resolve their problems. And in some cases I think this is also true of farm organizations. The environmental movement criticizes the farm sector as being one of the major contributors to environ- mental degradation. Be this as it may, it's important, in my view, that the farm community, which has changed its behaviour in regard to the environ- ment, must be seen to be doing a much better job and to gain the credit from that. So there could well be an alli- ance between governments and farm producers if they were willing to get behind the environmental lobby such that they become seen as "saviours" of the environment. 9. What is the "European Cam- paign for the Countryside" and what influence is the powerful environmental lobby in Europe having on agriculture? The European parliament has an annual theme. Their themes are often cultural. But for two years — they're usually annual — they stepped out of the normal mode and said that the countryside was the most important issue in the minds of European parliamentarians and European local politicians. So over two years they organized a series of seminars, events, activities, demonstrations, theatre — all sorts of things — to celebrate the importance of countryside. This increased — it didn't begin, but it increased — the consciousness of many Europeans that the country- side is a very valued resource, that the people who live and work in the countryside are important contributors to human good, and therefore the countryside is something that we have to be very careful about, and have very clear conservation policies for. This leads on to the fact that historically speaking there's a somewhat different concept of the countryside in Europe. As far as Canada is concerned it is a bit differ- ent here, and the difference relates to the effort that must be made over the coming years to reacquaint urban dwellers, the majority of Canadians, with the value that the countryside of Canada offers the total Canadian society, with the "countryside as a public good." And the environment, a good, clean, healthy environment which renews the water resources and renews the air, provides the trees with oxygen and also provides good, healthy food, could all be packaged together as being the reason society should value its countryside much more than simply as a place where certain food com- modities come from. ... We've got to make the association with countryside broader than food products. We haven't done a particularly good job with food products, but we've also got to make it much broader than that. And the environment is a heaven-sent oppor- tunity because urban people are very, very worried about the environment. And if farmers can be seen as offering, in addition to good food, a safe envir- onment, then they're going to be seen as champions rather than the enemy. And will this affect policy? It should. Because then the Canadian government, I'm sure, would react the same as the European governments and see that they have a golden opportunity to limit production by insisting on environmentally sound practices in farming, for which there will be compensation. So for those farm people who are willing to engage in more organic practices and to reduce their chemical inputs there will be compensation for them during the interval period while the yield of products drops off and while the organic produce is registered and standardized in terms acceptable in the marketplace. Environmental control will be for all. Large producers will have to shape up, and many are already doing so. But the bulk of the land lies with the others, and here the main gains will come.0 (Interview by Lise Gunby) 22 THE RURAL VOICE 1