The Exeter Times-Advocate, 1972-04-20, Page 19LUCAN MINISTERS —• W. C. Tupling of the United Church and
Gerald Rees of the Pentecostal Tabernacle are the clergy who
contribute opinions in the Times-Advocate series this week.
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Times-Advocate, .April 10?.1.974. Pogo 19
Ministers differ on capital punishment
" The Times-Advocate contin-
ues the series of questions and
answers on controversial subjects,
This week, Rev. W. C. Tupling of
Lucan United Church, and Pastor
Gerald Rees of Lucan Pentecostal
Tabernacle are the clergy con-
tributing their views.
Do you believe that capital
punishment should be reinstated;
and what do you think of corporal
punishment in schools?
Mr. Rees:
The question of capital punish-
ment is difficult to answer with a
simple yes or no, especially for
one who has not studied or been in
close contact with the problem;
but yes, I do think capital punish-
ment should be reinstated.
There are many today who
voice their opinions concerning
our penal institutions and punish-
ment of criminals. These
opinions and the solutions
proposed often conflict, but there
is one observation that is often
made, and that is: our entire
criminal code seems to be doing
very little to retard the spread of
crime, Indeed, it has been stated
that our penal institutions are
"institutions for higher lear-
ning," where a novice criminal
can learn from older, more
hardened, more experienced
criminals how to become more
proficient in their "profession of
crime."
With the rise in the crime rate
and the boldness of the modern
criminal, almost everyone
agrees something must be done.
Perhaps the reinstatement of
capital punishment is the
beginning of the reforms that
seem to be needed.
The Bible has a good deal to say
about crime, the law, and punish-
ment. Exodus 21:12 states: "He
that smiteth a man, so that he
die, shall be surely put to death,"
It would perhaps profit our
lawmakers and those in authority
to carefully study this entire
section of scripture, Exodus 20-
23.
As for corporal punishment in
schools, I believe this question is
entirely different from the first,
because here we are dealing with
our children and not with
criminals. Wherever children
gather, there usually arises an
occasion for discipline.
There are far more effective
methods of discipline than the
strap. I would take a dim view of
any one spanking my children
without my knowledge and
consent. '
Mr. Tupling:
Capital punishment is a dead
issue in Canada today. There
hasn't been an execution in the
last ten years, and it is highly
probable that the federal cabinet
would commute any death
sentence handed down in the
foreseeable future, regardless
of the wording of the law. Rightly
or wrongly, the general con-
sensus of the people is that
capital punishment is barbaric,
and no part of an enlightened
society of the future.
Frankly when the issue first
became prominent, I was not on
the side of repeal. I felt that
capital punishment served a
useful purpose as a deterrent,
and that the dangers of repeal
were greater than the danger of
barbarism inherent in capital
punishment. At the time I was
living in Essex county, and I was
able to compare the murder rate
in Windsor, which had the death
penalty, with that in Detroit,
which did not. The comparison
didn't say much for the wisdom of
those who advocated abolition.
Since then, however, I have come
to believe that the capital
punishment issue is irrelevant to
the question of public order.
Canada has a relatively low
murder rate because we are a
relatively non-violent society. It
is obvious from watching the
favourite imported T.V.
programs that the United States
is saturated with the philosophy
of violence. Violence has
become the accepted American
way of life, both for the Christian
and for the non-Christian, and it
is assumed that the gun is the
great leveller. In thee, 0 Gun, I
put my trust. In such an at-
mosphere the issue of capital
punishment becomes academic,
because every man insists on his
right to carry a gun, and use it in
self-defence, The question for
Canadians, then, is not whether
we shall return to capital punish-
ment, but how we can avoid the
atmosphere of violence which
paralyzes law and order in the
United States today. This
becomes increasingly difficult
with the deluge of programs of
violence flooding the T.V. market
today.
My personal feeling today is
that capital punishment is
degrading. It degrades the judge
who must hand down the sen-
tence. It degrades the hangman,
who must carry it out. Above all,
it degrades society, which puts
itself on the same level as the
murderer, and proclaims an eye
for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. In
the middle years of the
Nineteenth Century, public
executions were popular in
Canada. We would not stomach
such savagery today, but why
sweep it all under the rug in a
secret act of revenge? No, let's
forget the issue, and set our
minds to the task of creating the
Just Society that Pierre Trudeau
was proclaiming in 1968.
With,_ regard to corporal
punishment in the schools, I have
not yet settled the issue in my
own mind, I can see arguments
on both sides of the fence. As a
former teacher, I sympathize
with the position of the teachers
in Middlesex who opposed the
abolition of the strap. Schools
cannot be expected to use ideal
methods in dealing with children
who come from home en-
vironments that are less than
ideal. If parents do not teach
children respect for authority,
how can the poor teacher be
expected to control the situation
in the class-room? The people
arguing against corporal punish-
ment are not themselves
teachers or administrators.
Generally speaking, they are
university-trained idealists who
are pursuing a currently popular
line, not because it gives lip
service to freedom and the right
of the individual to control his
own destiny. The logic of this
position has never been proven;
it is simply taken on faith.
On the other hand, I have to
recognize that the Middlesex
Separate School Board has
banned the strap for some time
now, apparently without any ill
effects. If it will work for the
R.C.'s, it should work for the rest
of us. Is it true that. corporal
punishment is degrading? Does it
degrade the teacher as well as
the pupil. Are there other
methods of discipline equally
effective? Maybe there are.
Maybe it is possible to control a
classroom without ultimate
recourse to the strap as a
deterrent. Frankly, I don't
know. But if the vast majority of
Middlesex Public School teachers
think otherwise, their view
should be respected by the Board,
Frankly, I should not want to be a
teacher, and have my hands tied
in this arbitrary manner. I have
seen what goes on in some of the
classrooms of today, and I do not
like all that I see. If children are
not taught respect for authority
at home and they are not taught it
at school, where will they get it?
And if they do not learn respect
for authority, what kind of
society can we foresee for the
future? How can we have a just
society, if every man becomes his
own authority?
I throw out the questions, and
leave the answers to the future.
How do you view certain
television advertising such as
those advocating liquor and
undergarments?
Mr. Tupling:
Frankly:I think that many TAT.
commercials are remarkably
clever, and that in some cases
they are more interesting than
the programs which they in-
terrupt. T.V. advertising reflects
very closely the unspoken wants
and needs of the listener, and
gives him a feeling of iden-
tification with the world in which
he lives. He sees in the com-
mercial those things which he
wants to see, and identifies with
the organization that is trying to
make the sale. Volkswagen and
Toyota commercials are
examples of advertising that
tickles the imagination of, the
listener, and helps him to
identify with the product.
I would say that T.V. ad-
vertising is neither moral nor
immoral, but amoral in purpose
and effect. It quite frankly ex-
ploits the needs and wants and
hopes of the listener, and if the
latter is wise he will realize that
he is quite frequently being
played for a sucker, in order to
fill the pockets of the station and
the sponsoring firm. Personally,
I am: very wary of any claims
that are made on T.V. I do not
assume that they are false, but
neither do I assume that they are
true. I presume the same ap-
proach would be valid to ad-
vertising in the local newspaper.
Naturally, the advertiser is going
to present his message in the
most attractive way possible, and
he is not going to stress anything
that puts his product in a bad
light. The Listerine commercials
are an example of the ability to
deal with this aspect of ad-
vertising in an effective way.
They appear to be admitting a
fault, but they are in reality
extolling it as a virtue.
I think the problem of ad-
vertising, in whatever medium,
is basically a matter of good
taste. It is not good taste for a
liquor firm to sponsor a program
on drug abuse which ignores the
alcohol problem. It is not good
taste for Pierre Berton to be
sponsored by American affiliates
when his interviewee is Tom
Connors, At least it is highly
ironic. It is not in my opinion,
good taste for the C.B.0 to
continue to advertise cigarettes
when the Minister of Health is on
record as to their danger, or to
accept brewery advertising while
plugging the dangers of drugs. As
for underwear advertising, I see
no evidence of bad taste there.
Maybe I just haven't been wat-
ching the right commercials,. I
am much more concerned
with the raw taste of the modern
film industry.
Mr. Rees:
There has been so much
displayed on television that the
ads for liquor and undergarments
seem very mild in comparison.
When scenes from prime
Canadian drama show naked
men and women, an ad for un-
dergarments is hardly shocking.
The most distressing thing
about television advertising is the
message that is often used that
seems to say people must use
certain products to succeed, be
accepted as part of the "in"
crowd, or be more desirable. The
beer ads seem to be based on the
premise thateveryone drinks,and
if a person doesn't drink a certain
brew, he is just not "with it."
Someone once said that the
literature of a society indicated
the intelligence and character of
that society. If television were to
be used as an indication of the
character and intellegence of our
society, we would be depicted as
a generation that was obsesse-J
with lust and devoted to con-
suming as much liquor as
possible. If this is the case, we
need to call upon God for
forgivness and the Lord Jesus
Christ to deliver us from our sins.
Statistics show more people
suffering from nervous break-
downs each year. In your opinion
what is the cause, and what is the
answer?
Mr. Rees:
I suppose there are many
reasons linked to a nervous
breakdown, A very simple
definition of nervous breakdown
is: the inability to function in the
face of the needs and problems of
life.
Lack of security, loss of con-
fidence, hope and courage,
mental and spiritual attitude,
circumstances and events in life,
one's background, and certainly
the stress and strain of our
competitive system of life could
all be factors in a nervous break-
down.
The answer for this problem is
no more simple than the cause. A
person who has suffered a net.
vous breakdown needs coun-
selling and guidance to get his
attitude and mental faculties
realigned. He needs help to
regain his hope, confidence and
courage to face life. But perhaps
if such a person had examined his
values and priorities in the first
place, he would not have allowed
himself to be worked up to the
place where he was a candidate
for a nervous breakdown,
As a minister, I believe that
there is a preventive measure
anyone can take if they so desire,
That measure is to simply put
one's trust and faith in God, Jesus
said, "Come unto me all ye who
are weary and heavy laden, and I
will give you rest." He also said
that when he left to be with the
Father, that he would send the
Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit,
who will lead us into all things. I
believe if a person takes ad-
vantage of these promises, he can
have rest and peace of mind and
spirit in the most trying times of
life; and that he can have the
Holy Spirit to lead him into all
things in his life.
Mr. Tupling:
The term "nervous break-
down" as it is commonly used, is
a very broad and imprecise
expression, covering many
nervous and mental disorders,
and lumping together people who
exhibit a great number of
symptoms. Some are obviously
deranged mentally, while with
others it is simply a case of the
nervous system creating un-
pleasant physical symptoms. It is
my experience that doctors shy
away from use of the term, and I
thin wisely.
I think there are at least three
factors involved in the statistical
increase mentioned. One is the
great speed-up in modern life.
Alvin Toffler's book, "Future
Shock," describes this dramatic
revolution in life patterns.
nodern society is in a state of
"future shock" because it is
unable to cope with the violence
and all-pervasiveness of change.
Another factor is the lack of
objective standards to which we
can cling with assurance. The
younger generation has a "thing"
about freedom, and the middle
generation is caught between the
new and the old, and both are
crying out for certainty in the
basic issues of life. This explains
the remarkable growth of the
"Jesus Movement," which
reflects both a contemporary life-
style and a craving for emotional
security. The third factor is the
tremendous increase in drug use
and the growing reliance on
drugs as a way of coping with the
problems of life. At this point I
must criticize many doctors for
being too free with their
prescriptions, and many young
and not-so-young who feel that
they have the authority to ex-
periment with their own mental
and physical health.
The answer to the problem lies
in a broad acceptance of the fact
that there is a loving God who
cares for all,who demands our
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This is the Christian ..Gospel,
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