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HomeMy WebLinkAboutThe Clinton New Era, 1880-05-06, Page 2TB DIMON PARLIAMENT INFONN. MOUSE Or COMMONS. Orrevre, April 22. -The Speaker took the dude at 3 20 pm, After routine, the follow. int bills billed upon formal resolution" were Introduced By Mr. Baby -To amend and consolidate the htwe respeeting ditties impood.on pro. mairaery notes and bills of enlacing°. By Elir Leonard Tilley -For the relief of the Quebec Herber Commiesioners and the *improvement of the old harbor. By Sir Zohn A. Macdonald -For the bone- s MIA the widow of Hon. Joint Young, late chairman of the Harbor Commieelonere of Montreal. TRZ mum& exo. Mx. Motion moved the third reading of a. bIU further to amend the lots reepeeting the militia and defence of the Dominion of Cenada. Mr. Ron (Middlesex) protested agalnst the third clause of the bill, whioh provided for the opening of oanteens in regimental camp. Me thought it would remit in placing within easy reach of the young men oompoeing our volunteer forces intoxicating licmore. Which mmat have a demoralizing effect .upon them. He moved that the bill be referred back to committee, with inetructione to strike out s She Manse in question. Ali. Maseoiroontended that the clause was framed in the interest of -temperance • principles dhear, hear and laughter), as it will prevent the ntembere of, the force from batuaing tavernand indulging to exams in spirituous liemore. Thii measure had "received the unitnimoue approval. of the temperance • members ot the Semite es likely • to be an Improvement upon the existing, state of siffeiree The .bill provided that in the •anunicipalitiee where the ScottTemperance •. Let was in force the clause in cmostion elusuld be inoperative; and furthermore, it was the Intention of the department to peak° very stringent regulations under the sato bne of them being that no liquor 'stronger than beer should be allowed. Mr. Solver had goodreason to know. that °tango wit contrary -1e the millet ef: 'militia lepers, Mr, Macdougall said he hoped the% the hon. miember might find it coninstent with hie duty to accept the ouggeetion just made. So ler as the constitutional question* was con- cerned he had to doubt that it was as clearly within the power of the House to palls this ranee al to page the Soon AM, whioh the other day had been declared constitutional. He could not tee why: it was necessary that the drinking of intoxicating liquors on the part of volunteere should be placed. emder the sanction, of the 14w. General Weleeley in his report of the Northweet . expedition spoke of the advantage *hide te- Milted to the troops by depriving them of the' use Of intoxicating liquore. What harm • maid there be in preventing volunteers from drinking liquor when they are called out under the law? Giving them bee; would only • stimulate the taste for that lidnor and whet the appetite of those who oared foteomething Stronger and induce them• to mi outside the Immo for liquor to 'satisfy • that appiatte. '101niefe.)-* a '' •—• — Mr. Longley alto supported ,the motion, Such e clause , as this was oontrary to the sentiment of the people of Canada. In the mune of reason, let them try the experiment cf-drillingovolunteere without liquor. - - • Mr. • Masson odd, in deference to what neetnedto be the general opinion of the Mounehe consented that the clam 'should bi struck out. ((More) .He still, however, • held the opinion, from what he knew of the , Nome, that the change would have been in - advisable one. He did not change that •, opinion. Mr. Bose -Change your bill; that'e what is weeded. (Cheer's.) . The motion. was rearriedes and 'the House went into committee, struck out the (Nee. tionable clause, and amid loud cheeps re- -ported the bill as amended, The bill was read the third time and passed, as also was Mr. Babe's bill to consolidate and amend the sets respecting the inland revenue: ,• • ' memo earatmeomio. .. • •• Mr. AloDonald , (Olden) moved the second reading of a bill respecting the Ontario Reformatory for bop: Ho explained that it • provided that boys under sixteen years might on being convicted of a crime .• be sentenced to imprieonment in the reformatory. The judge might further direot that a boy should • be kept in the reformatory for reformatory purpose's for a further period not exceeding Aye year& • The bill was read the second • time and the Howse went Into comnzittee • upon it. ' ••• • • Mr. Cameron (Huron) thought the power - eonferred by this bill was already posessed • by the judges Of Ontario. The bill id not . go tar enough, however.' It ehould be made •• to cover the coo of boys who could not be • stoneicted of any crime, but whose morel and material welfare the judge might think would • be advanoed by sending them to • the reformatory. This *hind prevent orime, • .whion wee far better than merely to punish It. The hifi ehould be amended to cover the doe to whom he referred. ProVisione eome . •what similar te those he flaggeeted were in existence in Maryland and other Medea of the • union. The statiatios of orime allowed that thert was a startlingly large proportion of oriminala from 16 to 20 coats of age. Mr. MoDenald quite • concurred in the • views of his hon. friend. It would be most benefirdal if that portion of the youtliot our large cities who by neglect and example were • edaeated to a life of crime 'should be objected • to reformatory infltionoes, and if potable in- duced to become good Mime; but his hon. friend mud see that he (1.1r. McDonald) could , badly adopt this euggestion without further sonsideration. Mr. Mule old that it'would not be within the power of this Parliament to dimet that then who had not . yet been convicted of • crime 'should be imptisoned; That reeled • *ether with the Legislature, whioh had to do •with • the •oducation of the people. The bill was palmed through animate° and read the third time and passed, • Tun num rim • • Sir -John Macdonald presented a meting° from the Governor General, tranamitting a • copy of an approved report of the Privy Conned' recommending the vote of a, enm of 117,000 for the isnmeditite reliefof the euf • Icremeby the diettatroue fire whieh yesterday • consumed a large part of theeity of Hull and rendered 4,000 people homologic.'• He com- mented on the • disastrous nature of the • conflagration, and said this wars a .matter whioh brooked of no delay. . Mr. Mackenzie was Miro all would join tory heartily in the propoaltion obviated by Ilis Excellency. The fire was worse than most fine, bsoanue the population belonged almost entirely to the poor clue ; and Aseeeee•ezei although greater firms had taken place in , Canada, he believed there had been none in which there had been a larger number of Offereth The vote was then paned through the meceseary Magee. • tim. Wright, on behalf of hie suffering • conetitttents, returned thanke for the kind and gemstone way in which the Heine had *voted thie aid. They had also Opeolally to expreell their thanke te the Governor-General and the primes tor the kindly intereet they 11; had bakes% in their great ealamity, and for the ettbstantial way itt whish they had Mded them! a SILLS 141101114 Thelolbowlpgblllaps�eed their final Magee : Respecting the Dorchester Penitentiary. To oontintle for a limited time the Better Peevention of Oriole Aot, 1878., Respeeting a Reformatory for Juvenile Offeudere in Prince Edward Island. To amend the act ropiest- ing offenoes ageinet the peroon, and to repeal the set to provide that persons charged with common aseault tibial be competent as wit - /lessee. (haw*, oftpril 23. -The Speaker took the chair M "3 20. tomer: oupTphie;dollee then went into 00002eittee 01 „ On the Min for transfer of museum from Montreal to Ottawa, 10,000, Mr. Mackenzie atiked,le it the intention to reraove the whole muoeum from Montreal? Sir John Macdonald said it was not, as it wcie desired in ler as poesible to have a ret. potable muumuu at both places. The item then panted. OXII On tfie Item, Indian*, Oatario and Quebec'. $24,800, Mr. Bother said he would tike to Mk the Government g they had bad the cot. dition of the Oka Indianunder consideration since they came into power. They, no doubt, knew the diffioulties which .existed in this now well-known ease, and that these diffiont ties existed at the preeent niement as they had in ;ho past, He had euegeisted to the late Government a settlement which he believed would be a reasonibleseene, namely. that portion of the lands in the unoccupied terri toles of the Northwest should be est aside for theme Indian's, and that they shoal& ra. calve a grant of a reasonable eum lit money to odd them in rembving thither, and in conetruoting dwellings for their occupation. filir.John Macdonald 'said the Government had pressed for a settlement ot the epeeist case between the seminary and the Indians • for the purpose of having the matter decided in the Supreme Court. Tbe gentlemen of the (seminary had empreesed their willinineas to have a case prepared for final adjudication upon the question of title. The item then nestled., • • • - Trieldameg aummott. •_ On the item, Indians, British Colittabia, Mr. -Mille thought 'something could be done to diminioh our Indian expenditure and make the Indians more selbrelient and more self. -eupporting. . Oar present apt= had the effect of plataing theindustrieus and diligent upon the tame footing as the idle and the lazy. He knew that eome Indians had gone beyond •their reservations and paid taxa and apnea - ed the reePonsibilities of white men, and had se a consequence become much more prosper- ous. Ohr whole eystem was such as to de- teriorategather than to improve the Indians, for it taught them to look tor their annuities every year instead of their own industry for their euppot. Mr. Bike urged the same view. • The queation of treatment of the Indians of the Northwest was one of very grave social and financial importance. For Indians and mounted police we were approximating to an expenditure of a million rte par. The natural food supplies of the Indian's -wire aritirdirdbitinieliitigeand-we had- 400uateMell the Indiane to look to us for aid. lt was time for us to retrace our stepe, and to en- deavor to implant in the minds of the Indians * spirit of independents() and responsibility, and to teach them Abe' adVentellee 01 - civilized mode of life, and thiehe believed •wianot a hopeleee Sok. • - Sir John Macdonald said it was title that the • Indians relied on Government- aid, but the Government had to pursue a course between two evils. They weld not let them starve, and they could net convert them into white men.. All they could do was to fey and induce them to leave their nomadic" habits and settle down to cultivation of the oil as their white neighbor's did. He believed their normal food, the buffalo, had almoet disappeared, and they would soon be obliged te resort to the habits of white men to supply theineelves with food. The item paused. IFgack and Itt tft: nuigg: ttebt;trialiaigg 'gY 1,i(o) Aot ei Vie., chap. 413, Abell *how dietinetly tho ANOTHER GRIOT MM. • . • - On the item, grist mill in the Nerthweet, 113,000, in reply to- Sir Riehard_Cartwright, Sir John Macdonald stated that thie mill was to be situated at Fort MacLeod, and was intended for the accommodation of the mounted pollee, Indian's and settlers. min= BILLS: The following private bills were paned through committee, and read a third time and passed: To provide for the winding up of the Coneolidated. Bank •of Canada. • To inoorpotate the Souris 'ett Rocky Maintain lisilwity Company. To extend the powera of the Southwestern Colonization Railway Company, and to further amend the all I o i. corporatism the said company. The b incorporate the Pontiac' Pacifits Junction RailwayCompany was paesed through com- • mittee. The bill to provide for the winding up of the Bank Ville Marie was reed a almond time: ' • - " • ' •• s MTRBOoLONIAL RAILWAY. The House then went into committee of 'supply on $1,400,000 for the Interoolonial railway. Sir Charles Tupper mid the GeV. eminent felt it was very unfortunate after having invested, do large alum of money on this railway that the countrY 'should be called on to pay a half million dollars for working expenses over the receipts, bookies interest on•the investment, He had, therefore, en- deavored to reduce the expenditure without impairing its condition and heel imoneded-to a great extent. •Hon. Ur. Maokenzie said that the line was in a condition which showed very great 'deterioration since the poi:session to cfficie of the present Government. The general stook and notably the eneinee was materiellycless thanit was • when the • preeent administration •seceded to power. He complained that the staff of ' the road had been undttly reduced and the wages also, and this in such a proportion as to impair the good working of the Wok, , Mr.Onowball called attesetion to the hard. ehipa entailed by the &ormolu the employ. ment of hands at the wokshope, and alto lipid that the raising of freights on flour vsas not the intermit of the publics. The item having weed, the House resumed, -and adjourned at 12.30. • • • Oeuvre, April26.-T1ie Speaker took the chair et 3 15. Mr. McDonald (Plotou) introduced a bill to mithories certain inveetigations under oath. He Mated that its object wee to authorize the bode of departments to appoint a Peron' to hold investigations under •oath in eases re. lating to the depattinent. It was to grant to the other Minioters the powers now posessed by the Miniater of Jostles. The bill was read the Avg Urine 1411714 OP ZOMINIoN 120TEe. Sir Leonard Tilley moved the House into eon:mato° to Consider the following resolu- tion ; That it is expermee to provide that the egnetint of Dom Mon notee iasued and outstandiog at may one time may bo ihoretteed to Went)* Millions of dollars ;provided that the Pittance minister ehall always hold for Use redemption of intieh notes an amount in 5010, 01 in gold and DominiOn et curl.' ties guaranteed by the GoVernment of the Belted Kingdom, equal te not 'esti than 23 per cent. of tho total atnount Of melt note.s then outstanding, and that at least 15 per cont. of the tqtal amount of autth outstanding notes hall bo''00 held in amount so held by bim in gold:and guaranteed sechrities respectively. He Meted that under thelew 18 11 at pre. sent stood for all Dominion notes honed up to nine millions the Government required to hold 25 per cent. iln gold; for all tesneO between nine and twelve inillione, 50 per cent.; and for all above twelve, millions, dollar for dollar. At the Moe of last month 0142,400,000 was in eleoulation, spinet whioh -there wee held in gold $2,250,000 for the first nine mildew, $1.500,000 for the next three millions; and 6400,000 for 'the renmining 4400,000, making altogether' at that thew $4.10,000 held in gold againet an boo of 02400,000 in notes. 'Unclothe levi et present there wag no limit to -the -Govern- ment issue to long at the Government held gollat for dollar in gold againet all iiiiittee be. yond twelve =Mime. The preoent measure was intended to authorize the Government to, increase the Ione to $20,000,000, but not beyond that -the inorease not to exceed 14,000,000 a year. 1t provided 'het 25 per cent. of this increase. 'should be held -at least 15 per cent. in gold, and the balance' in guar- anteed Dominion securities. The object of the Government in betting Dominion notes was in the are% plaise that the Government or the people of the Dominion might haveeekne ahare of the Profits of the circulation. He knew that there was some doubt ea to. the Propriety of tnie expansion, and as to the abilite of .# the Government to meet any demand that might be made on the treasury for gold inredemption of notes. He theught there was no danger' of this when the Government bold 15 per cent. in geld and 10 per cent, in asourities that were con- vertible into gold et any moment. In addition it was provided by the bill that debenturee ehould be boned for the balmiest:, of gm noteein °imitation, these' debentures to be made available on any woolen the "Governnient migtit require them, whir* was not likely•to Mee, for daring the years of the • adminietration of the hen. gentlemen epee. eite, and.clewn, to Ootober78, there had never been any °cession when we had not in the banks at the very. loweet figure It3,400,000 againstthe tonne of twelve million's, and it was seemly to be expected under any oircum- Maness that the deposits remaining in the banks would be less than §3,000,000. Daring the whole of last year, when there was about §11,,500,000 in circulation, all the Gov- • ernment had to meet with 'the gold was 64600,-0001- fie that in additiceetnthe,15, per cent. in gold, in addition to the amount of guaranteed, murales, the Government had etill any amount likely to bedemanded deposited to• its creclit 01 the banks tO draw on at any moment' In his juOgment, therefore, nothing could be better enured than was the 'proposed extended circulation. Tne aVerage circulation laat year outside of the banks averaged from 42,500,000 to •03,000,000 in §1 and $2 nOteil, After the' expiration of the present bank _charters the banks would nOt be .permitted' to issue any notes of smaller denotnination than e5, Gov- ernmentassuming the issue of all below It5. The Goverment alo propooed to -increase she minimum from 33e par cent. to 40 per cent. Supposing " that ,. the Government under, this law, increased the (simulation during next- year to [sixteen minima they would' require .to hold $2,400,000 in gold and it1,600. 000 in securities; but the practical eilaot of • *hie law- "viciuldbe that instead of having in° oiroulation.$12-,-500;000-Miethey-haeleat- this - moment, with. 04,150,000 in gold against it, they would have §16,000,000, in circulation, With only $2,400,000 in gold againet it,with • tete:tonne $1,600,000 additional in outriders. _Tinder ehe_oenuigement_peovicledhe_thieJAwee • and With the same circulation, ass they had at this momente,they would require to hold In gold only §1,860,000 in gold, the balm° of the present warily being held in guaranteed seouritioto That balance, amounting to $2,296,000, would then be relieved from. deposit. There, could . Ise no ',question, therefore that these semiritiee • could :be matte ava'ilable at twenty.four beets' netioe to replace the gold if their profits and deposits ,ehotaci, place them in a petition to use them. One mode of . inereasing the oireulation at the present time was the determination of the Government.to-send onlyone dollars to the Northweet territories and British Columbia to pay the annuities. and distribute other money Amongst' the ' Indians.- It was provided bleb° bill that 'these notes eboxilde not only be xedeemable in gold at Halifax, • St, •JohnOltiontreal and .at Toronto, but at OharlottetoWn, Winnipeg and Viotoria, B.O. In lot September and Ootolietthe (simulation had exceeded •the amount at Whistle they .bad any Orel% but the Government, net desiring to ourtail the cireulation, had allowed tauten' • to _take their °puree until at the present moment it had gone up to 012,511,000, the largest amount it had ever reached. At the present moment our bolo had ' about twenty.one . millions • • of (emulation. . They'had their capital of about sixty Mahone, of depoits outside the Government about ten, millions -and in Government depoSitid Mout eleven millione, gothat altogether they had one hundredand one or.. one hundred and two millione of liabilities,, against which they held Dominion notes and gold to something like the sum of sixteen.millionee The reserves Whittle must be hold by the bankshad in . or'eased year by year and "meetbe' large, as theti tad • to prow for seventy or eighty millions of Oepoolle, and that secured a large amount. of Dominion notes which must re- main on deposit with the banks. The reserves must be large in order to meet they circulation and deposita, and they would have to provide for probably ten or eleven eaillions during the next two or ' three years as the amottnt of our circulation' which mightbe eclepoeited with the bankee_13,ayeate_amoutete were ten millions, that would be isle millions to be put in circulation perhaps at tit:601os° 'of next year or :the year after. • . . ' Sir flichard Cartwright °aide with respect to the resolutione there were three objections to them whieh had occurred to him... In Abe first place this alteration of tht.arbount of Government notes in circulation. or held in bank to $20,00,090 from pesolicallYtt eum of , $12,000,000 was a •long step in the way to Government taking.conteol of the currency. He Was aware that this was a matter on whioh there always had been, and he sup- posed -always would be, ' 'Ws* great diveoity , of opinion. Tiaeoreticielly 'he Was not prepared to say the objeistions were so straw; MS Wee . made from a practical point of vie* It had always appeared te him that there was great danger in the Government assuming -control of the Simulation, partly because it would find it very diffioult to pekforni effidently the ,funotions which betake now performed in the way of contracting and expanding circulation, and became universal • experience went to show that whenever the Government 'Of a Country took .charge or the °insulation sootier or later, ,and generally resoner than letter, it resulted in that country '.having an irredeemable Mirrenoy for a longer or eherter time. In the next place he was rather in. olined to fear that the prat:stint working of the measure which the hon. Minister had brought down might be that in times Of etringeney, when a large amount of currency wOrild come back on his h.ando, he might find himself compelled to take i course that would aggraeete and Immo that stringency. Laatly--aterthie Was perhaps his most im- portant objeotion-it was quite clear, ju ging from the working of the last Measure, that this atep would further diminish the e all %2 amount of gold reserve Mill held in thio couldey. At Able paoment the total amount of geld reserve held by the banks Wes vete," little over $6,700,000. • The effect of the additional loode proposed by the Finance Minato would be to redo° the amount of gold now held to an extrelnelY imali figure, and would be in effect a forced loan front the bank", lei the termer Memere Wae. MB need not remind the hon, gentlemen that while Dominion legal tender notes were perfectly good as between one Canadian end another they would not pay our foreign ludebtednege and he feared, therefore, that the Mance' Minister !route fiad himself compelled td pay a great deal °loiter attention $o the demands of the market ler "bullion and to the effect of commercial stringenclee which would from time -to time Info than would be either convenient or expedient,. He believed that the measure he resolved_ upon 01. come pelting the `department to hold dollar for dollar homed over the sum of $12,000,000 was as far as it Was safe to go. He could enure the hon. Finance Minister that during the yore in whielt the former spitfire had prevailed 4 great deal of practical inconvenience arose from the nectusity of the department reinforcing itself with opal° from thne to time. That would no; be diminished, but would rather be largely ag- gravated if the hon. Minister suomeded-and a was not at all certain that he would snood -in getting out this 0,000,000 which he pro- posed to issue. The hon. Minister had maid very little as to the mode In which he pro - poised to keep out this circulation. What the hon. gentleman mid. with regard te the amount of circulation was quite true. • The total amount of <emulation wa0 not more than about §3,000,000 in these email notes, aid he would remark that when the -hon, Minter CAM° to take- into account the feat that for this amount he must hold some reserve, must prepare them notes and maintain offices at venoms places for -the purpoee of ohm. lilting them, the eteit of obtaining cir- culation would make very aerieue in. roads on the profits to be made here 'the Josue. The Finance Minister intended to provide for tide by making the bankepay a certain proportion of the amoniate drawn from- them in ease it is demanded. Thqt might have some effect, but not half the effect the hom.gentlemals expected. As for the rest that would be a toned loan, which the benke would pay out of the small amount of gold they now had, and the remit would be that the hon. gentleman would have laid upon his shoulders the responsibility of pro- viding all the gold the banks wanted, • He would have been glad to'have litenctfroM the bon. Minitien of Finance something about the proposals whioh had' been cifeulated- to* make us rioh by the adoption of a national • =Mena ; but the hon. gentleman had, with commendable prudence, abeteined from referring to that question. Mr. Wallace (Norfolk) aceepted the resolu- tions as a concession in the direetion of adopting a national currency, and he com- plimented the Government upon the courage they had manifested in taking this step. He could not, however, endows the proposal to renew the bank charters for ten years,becanse it would bind up publio °Onkel for that lime, and therefore at She proper time he would move an amendment to theists resolution's. The Houses was then favored with a warm defence of the Wu of a fiat ourreney, 'add 4 Vigorous attic* upon the advocates of a gold •basis and the existing oystem of bunking. • Mr. Chariton expressed mistrust as to the result of the .Gavernment'e curreney resettle tione, .end.•then pr0000ded• to oritioize.the defence -of -a -flat beitleeeffered-by In an exhauetive opeeoh he recited the past hietory of eireilar efforts, and portrayed their lamentable results, mg sought to imprese upon the House the necessity of acting upon Jim -lemon- which_ .thesti-evente-inouloatede His epeech bore ample evidences of being the offspring of conaiderebla patient and careful research.' ' • Atter a• few remarks favorable to the resolution by Mr. MoCallum the .MOtiOn was carried; • -In committee Messrs.Anglin and Mills both 'briefly expressed their 'disapproval of tbe reeotution, to whioh a brief reply was offered by tie Premier. • The renolution WAS adopted. • ••' • • In the House it was eoncerred in on a division and the neceseary bill introduced. Sir Leonard Tilley then moved the House into committee on the resolutions renewing the bank ohartera on certain condition° already • communicated to the public, He -explained the meaning of the provisions in but.nethiug absolutely new Was cord- munitiated. _ ' • • • In committee Mr. Plumb spoke at length in rather doubtful tilppori of the preaent sezierfof resolutions. He appeared to favor a gradual adoption of the American system of bankingoted offered a eauatio criticism of the argument' advanced iu favor of an irre- deemable ourreney. • Mr. Casey, who followed; oomplimented Mr. Plumb on the line of argument 'he had permed, but although he endorsed hio main arguments against the national - currency ammo, yet he could not favor the Amerioan banking aystera, beanie() it Was net SUM (Meetly elitetio. . , Mr. Roes (Dundee) appeared he believe that the Government's Nahum) 'would prevent -Wader's having euffident amall 'Wile in their hands taiiidetatbe requirements of change. • Mr. McLennan (glengarry) 'favored the House with a few weighty arguments against the national *Arum, and expressed doubt as to . the wisdom of the • Govern- menVo cairn in increasing the volume of the currency. Mr. Wallace replied btiefly to the arguments advanced against. his favorite soheme, and then moved in amendment to the first reso- lution that vier& benOOed to the effect that no banks whose charters are now renewed -ellen lone -bills -under the renewed charters te- en amount exceeding that iseued under their Old char tera. The araendment was negatived, the resta- lutione adopted, reported to the Houee, and inkcaorpinie. orated in a bill, which wee read the ttt The Home resolved that Government business should take precedenee on Wednee- day; tbue depriving private members of Mere, day. This is an indication of a prorogation at an early day. The House adjourned at 12 45a. m. • . • • OTTAwA, April 27. -The. Speaker took the chair at 3 15. • • MOTs' ,LIOnNelle. Mr: Pope (Qaeens) introduced a bill further to amend the Pilotage Act of 1873. • • VIZ LET:ELMER' CAUL Sir Leonard Tilley moved the Home into committee of supply. Mr. Mean zie !laid he took this opportunity of bringing under the notice 01 100 Howe a qtiotion which they were not able to deal with last eerselen, but which called for an ex, eressicin of opinien in the Home, as to the manner ha which the subject was. dealt with and the manner in whieli the House was treat- ed. It would be remembered that durieg last minion a motion was made by the hon. member for Begot condemning the action of • the Lieutenant, Governor of Qaebeo for die. missing his Miniatere, and that upon the wasp of that motion and upon the penult -of a similar motion in the Senate in tho previous oemion the Ministry based their within in recommending the dlemissel of Lieutenant Governor Letellier. He premed - ea to recall the facto relating tie the Leteilier oase-the motion 01 100 loader of the Oppo- salon in 1878, whioh Was defeated; the re- fusal 01 100 late Government to interfere in a matter which they regarded as entirely within the eontrol of the people of Quebec ; the recommendation of tho vegeta Govern. MOM to the GoveenOr•Goneral to dioreloo Lieutemint Governor LeiSliter on the wound that Me usefulness' tear gone; the motion posed in the House of 00111Mong lad moisten oonclemniing the action of the Lieutenantfitovernor ; She hesitation of the GoVeriement to recommend the diomissal of the Lieutenant -Governer until they were forced to do so by the wee. sure of their followers; the debate in the Flonselaat melon, and the statement of the lesder of the (*Over:mot ; the reference of the One tO England, and the exP000siOn of opinion on the object by Sir Michael Hicks.. Beach ; and the negotiatione between the leader of the Goveremont and the Governor. • -General upon the SAW -ed. Efe pointed out that in the reply Which the leader of the Gov. eminent had given in the Itortee to the mem- ber for Hoohelaga (Mr. Dell Indite) he had endeavored to give the impreoelon that Elie Excellency was primarily responoible tor the reference, when in reality, as afterwards ap- peared, the Governongantral had etratsbed a point in order to conform to the wishes of lele edition. By this deception of the House a heavy odium, and a ins% One if title, had rested upon the Governor-General, as being himeolf the instigator of the violation of the principles of responeible government whioh had token place, according to the strong language indulged- in by the members for Begot (Mr. Mongoose) and ,Laval (Mr. OM - met). Bak when it was found teeth was the Government Who Were responeible the hon. gentleman's motion had been put off on one exouoe and another for fear he and WO friends ehould be plaged in the rather awkward p011itiOn of aseaulting their leader in. Mead of, as they had intended, the Governor. General ot Canada. As Premier of tho late administration he felt it due to Mr. toetellier to state that durliag t00. whole term of that gentleman's ininlmbeney. and his own not .ontedieenseion of any political object, .either provincial or Dominion, had taken place between them; not one suggestion me to any political "come to- be followed had • been made by him (Mr. Mackenzie); or askea for by ?di. Litillier. Theopeople of Qaebec had ahown, by their 'support of Dlr. Job, inthe eleetionie that they were hostile to the oortese the Premier of Canada had pureued, and that theysupported the -view whittle he (Mr. Mackenzie) held, that wa had no right to interfere in the internal affairs of the provimea when than *Cairo could be settled by the province's without such interference. He concluded by moving, . seconded by Mr, Itsurier,Wrellolution Avhieh- recited at great length , the fads In the Ligonier me, and cloud with this paragraph: That in the opinion.of thie House the fact of submitting the advice of the Privy Council to the review ot Her Majesty's advisers in England upon questions which are purely of an adminie- trative character like that involved in the dis- missal of Lieut. -Governor Letellier under the British North America, Act of 1857, is subversivo. • of the principles • o" lesponsiem government granted" to usatacht. Mr.:Ottlimet said his friendrand hiniself bad asked for the dismissal of Lieut. -Gov- ernor Ligonier teat year on two grounds - that he had sated as a partisan and as a epy dieolosing the morets of State, and that ne had made false misrepresentation!i in the documents which he sent to the Governor. General as his defence. He did, not believe tiee ton. member for, Lsmbton was acting fairly towerde elm Government or himself' _when he asked the House to'go heels, and by eaetoinief nenetalfidence in the Qovergament to affirm a principle which be (Ur. Ouiraet)..... recognized as right, fine which the hon. mem. ber tor Lambton last year " would not, for political reagent!, yeeognize as such.. -lariat cheers. •• ---Sir-Jolne Maedonald-Qaeittione question? - Ole. Lender adverted at some loon to the position in which provincial affairs were at the time Letellier took ffise, and pointed out that it was only when the DeBoucherville Administration introduited a ocheme of tin- juet telation, for which there was no pre oedent eines the time of King John, that he had summarily dismissedhie advisers. The close examination of all documents in this ease would fail to give one title of evidence to sustain the charges made-irgarist Mr.- Letel- lier that in what he had 'done: he had been influenced by any motive save to benefit his oinentry. ,kf. Letellier, however,- had the eatiefaction of knowing that he bad saved the province) ever .which he had been appointed to rule trona the inaubes with which it -WKS threatened. Touching the reference to Eng- land he (Hr. Laurier) -aid thek,when it was annonneed that thie question was to be sub- mitted to the imperial anthoritites his hon. friends opposite were imeedingly indignant' that the internal affairs of ()Made should not be eettled in the "country. The announce- ment had' been 'made inmolt a way that it was generally understood.that the Governor. General, and , not his Matiaters, was responsible far this .aotiong but when it Meanie • known that .• the iefer- . enoe to England had. • been made under the advice of the Ministry, the indig- nation of these' hon. gentlemen, instead of being turned against the reale:aerate for some strange reason niched away like -snow before the smiling onn. Their vengeance had been gratified, bat they had set a precedent which • he greatly feared would rebound against the province of Cecrebee oothe gay. It the province) ever euffered horn the precedent thus eet, the people would know where te look for the authors of 0. (Cheers) • Mr. Huntington read 'leveret extraots from Mr. A. Todd's reeente work on Colonial Gov- • ernment to show that that writer approved • of Lieut -Governor Leteilier's action on con- • stitutional grounds, and 'condemned hie diomissal by the Government. • Mr. Olney, en rising to speak, was greeted with great uproar, which Sonepletely drowned lie -remarks. Mr. Casgrain-I • rise to a question• 'of order, I desire to hear wbat is 'said, mid I am not able' t0. hbar it. (Cries of order, order.) •. . Mr. Caseeeproceeded to say,that he thought it would be more conducive to the dignity of the Government to answer the arguments of the Opposition than to allow their suppertere to howl -Wein Own. o. was sorry this question should be dimwitted to day aa though Lieut.. Governor Letellier was on his trial. item net he who, was on hie trial, but the Ministers oppoolte. • (Great dieorder ) .„ llo called 'upon the " Speaker to exerciee hie authority in maintaining'order. keepmMr. r.0SrodOaseeree.kyser-Fron. gentlemen Will please anilS continued uproar, said that although this resolution called in ques- tion the perigniel honor of the Vint Minister, he ,had not dared to rise up and refer *0 11. (Noisy interruptions) He called the lipeaker'e attention to the faot that the hon, member for Niagera (Hr. Plutnb) Wait making disorder. :The Speaker remained silent." Casey 'attempted to proeeed, but the din was so great that onle an oceitsional Word could be heard. Mr. Mackenzie -I have only to tell the loader of the Hone° that if ft is intended to Pe/steppe the buoineoe of the Home the hon. gentleman cannot purene a better course. (Hear, hear.) WO must be heard, and 0 the hon. gentleman Will not hoer us they Cannot input that the besinese will go on. Wehave the power ao a minority, to vindicate our peal- tion,"ana we will do it. ('00, oh.) MI ithago could be 'more wee than that which ho to be borne from the hon. member for ,Niagara, Mr. Casey roomed. , The hon. meMber,for Laval was quite ready last year to censure the GOVethor.Generel for, as he in etror thought, referring this csasete England,but ne WM not ready to Minium tho Government which Wliti isatually teoponisible for that totemic°, (Moto uproar.) Oltegrain *gain rime, bet 11 Was Plena minute's before the nolo 'efficiently subsided to allow him to opeak. He. sad; I want to hear thee debate, end 1 went to know whether order,l khr e is ot hontgti iaWitt n metble: wgonoitsekte0ePOPrllrlier; le will give you a sermon of five hours it yea. like. (Dot -Wive oheera and leughter ) Mr. Came, concluded by mayieg that he be- lieved the country would regard it as most toandalous that the Tint Minlater had made 110 Attempt to defond himeelf against the. charges made sash:tat him. Tolle, slamming of .desks- andemaking ionbi:Virrr.00..nrghuratiwn a:431)38% tw0itilhaderteteoleath091 grfeeoeunste M. Brant appealed to the leader of the Government to preserve order. Ile meld not believe that the bon. gentleman wad a party - to mob disorderly conduct as We. An hon. member-Y*s,eou did 0 two years ago. Mr. Ryneal raid 0 was a diegrace to mere - berg of the Home a Commons that they - should Make but& aSees oi themselves., (Cheers and laughter.) Ile iteked the leder of the Home to join. In an _endeavor tie pre- serve order. .13ir John Macdonald said he bad always, diecouraged anything like noise or unparlia. 'neutery conduct of eny kind whenever he took an opportunity el expressing his opinion or exerting his authority or iefluence. He could do no more and he would not ammo to. do any more. Mr. Caegrain opoke for a few Minntete• while the disorder was unabated. The raembers were then called in, when Mr. Mackenzie's amendlnerit was put and , lost On the following division: Teas. --Messrs. Anglin, Bain, Becliard, Blake,. Borden, Bourassa,, Brown, Burps° (St. John), Burpee (Sunbury), Cameron (Huron), Carlswright„ Casey, Ussgraip, Chandler .0harlton, Cockburn (Muskoka),Lockburn,(Nortlinmberland), Dumont, Fleet; Fleming, Fltenn„Geoffrion, Gilimor, Gunn. Haddow, Killani, King, Larne,- Laurier,. Mcdonnell "Lanark), Mackenzie, Malonin, Mills, Oliver, Olivier, Paterson (Brant), Pickard, Rinfret„ Rogan, Ross (Middlesex), Rymal, Somer. Skinner, Smith (Selkirk), Trow, Welucn, Wiser, Yeo. -49, Nftys.-Mesere. Abbott; Allison, Arkin', Baby„ - ,Baker, Bannerman, Barnard, Beaucheene, Be- noit, Isergeron, Bergin, Bill, )3oidue, )3oultbee, Bourbeau, Bowell, Bracken, Brooke, Bunting, Burnham, Carling, Caron, Cimon,_ Colby, Con - nen, Coetigan, Coughlin, lloupal, council. Cur- rier, Cuthbert, Daly, Deoust, Desaulniers, Doinville,• Drew, Dugals, Bill ttt, Farrow, Fitz- simmons,. Fortin, Fulton, Gigault, Girouard (Jacques Cartier). Girouerd (Kent); Grand - bola, * Hackett, Haggert, Hay, Hooper., •Rurteau Ives.- .JaaksOn.- hauls, Keeler, 'invert, Kirkpatrick; Kranz,, Lane, Langevin, Little, Longiey. Mattdonald (Kings), Macdonald (Victoria, B. C.) 'Macdonald (Cape Breton), McDonald (Pluton), Macdonald (Victoria, Nova Scotia), MadMillan, MoCallum. mccucin. McInnes. WACO, McLennan, McLeod, McQuade, Mitory, Massue, Aleiner, Methot, Moegenees. Montplaiser, Mousseau, Atuttart„ O'Connor, Orton, Onim Q.:Perrault, Pineonueault. Platt, klumb, Pope (Queens), Richey, Robert- son (Hamilton), Robinson. Ross (Dundas),, Rouleau, Reuniter, Royal, Ityan (Marquette), Ryan (Montreal), Shaw, Sproule, • Stevendon. Tame, Tellier, Thompson (Canboci); Talon Tapper, Vallee, Yapese°, Wade, • Wallace, (Norfolk), Wallace (VorA), White (Card well),, White • (Hastings), White (Renfrew), Wildams, Wrightr-119. •• , • • eon BANKING ACT. . Mr.. Alackerszie asked the Minieter ot s .Finance if he had made arrangements with, the Lords of the Treaeury for -the- me -of the. unexpended portion of the guarantee send. ties for the purpoges declared in his Bankinir , Lemma Tilley said authority keel been given for the belie 2.1.00,000, -and there, wail no question septa his authority to .use the debentures for the purposes of his Bank-- etng• _ • • The Houso. thenwont. committee .edr; supply: •• . •• cietiees. On the veto for the Lachine canal. 000, Sir Charles Tuppeie said •they- expected,. that the vote noweeeked 'would complete the. canal by the first of Jaly,-1881. Mr. Bergin urged the neoessity of enlerg. ing the .eanals, . He believed that half a.. million of dollars would reraovi the !thwart from Kingston' toTheliine, and meerding tee the engineer they might have a terelve feet. waterway from Kingston te Montreal fore, about a million and' when. . Mr. McCallum at some length fevered the, asouniption of the debt ineurred in deepening, the•river up to Montreal. That city conk* then be made a free port, and a serious dis. ability would be removed feora the carrying: trade of thie country. Thia would se cheapen! the St. Lay/roma route as to • attract to• ik the trade ofthe whole west. ". • - Sir Charles Tuppersaid. the Volley of the late Government had been experimental to te certain extent With regarrkto the enlargement, oi the canals; as they had enlarged the..Wel. - lend °Mel itt order to asoeetain the effect or allowing.vesselif of large draught to paes, tbrough to Kingston. The present Govern- • inent were following that pollee, and at the • same time going a little fernier. He was fully aware of the importance of enlarging the Beauharnoie canal, but he feared 310 grant - 'could be made this session. The' whole question of the. redaction 01 100 tolls and the ageumption of the works at lake St. Peter *0* . nubile work was an important once which must necoesarily soon engage the attentionof • the Government, but in the meantime they • • • ,felt that awes their firet duty to complete the works in progress. ' ' Mr. Mackenzie Field he did not propose to - °raise the remarks of the hon. gentleman at any length, as his policy was evidently in everyepartiouler that of the late:Government. Ho' deprecated, however, the geeing of water- power from the °male, as it inevitably led to, disputes end difaculties. They found that, the amount expended, op_ te_the tireoent on, the .Welland canal :Was. about $10,259,600. The:original estimate of Mr. Page was aboul,. twelve millions, and be would like to inquire if it was likely that the estimate 'would be. exceeded.. - Sir Charles, Temier said be' feared the.. intimate -of the . cot .of the Welland .oanal would be exceeded by about 6500,000 or . 6600,000, The item then pond. Upon the item; Carillon Look and $360,000,' in reply toMe. kfitokenzie,deir Charles Tupper entered into explanations. with regard to the contrecte for these works. The item passed, as 'Mete a, number of °them under the heading of Railways and Cattalo. • ' INDIANS. Upon the item under -the head. of In. disne,' Mr. Aeglin inquired *0 .10 thresuomete • of the method of instructing the Indiana, which was being peened by the Government. Sir Sohn Macdonald said*0111 WAS rather- • early to Say meth about the success of the plan at this stage, brit the Indian had either tl) be enpported by the country or taught to ' farm fOr himself, and all -Would, admit thak the latter course should be Wed. The mos. lion Was a Very iliffiettle :one owing to the - repugnance of the Indiana to adopt the behalf, et „civilized 'people. On the Rent Waged of farmer(' sod their assistants) $36,430(incense $25,180), Sir John Macdonald said there were two Govern. moot farmers et 0730 a year, ten asoidente, at $430, eeventeen farmers at 6730r and, fifty-one ttieflotitatiote4gt:60z. •u 10340 Upon the iteua 'Mounted Pollee, 6290,000- (deoeirreacle3,00h18n,9002a),a0 dosaigd eaid that the saving had been Effected by reduoing the luxurious. supplies 'which hed been used by the force at first, and also by selecting men !MeV y Ong farmers and atticiand who Were not above their besineee. The item peeped, and the Committee retie.