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HomeMy WebLinkAboutThe Clinton News Record, 1923-10-11, Page 5th, C%tintma • 4 )f inti est to !, and Me '' Tbisie,'jit•e-1rQY?intt431,'Week, •ILohrO ;you dote earthing to Make":the chance 01 firer lest -likely about yput paean,:, Cainadians lspow: ^a good' investment too well, te'peed a' Blue $1ty la* very 'badly, tis witness how tilo new loan was over subsoribed, Lloyd George says pane<l1 wrll liav a pepulattitn of:800,000,O00,.. Perhatei rt Will, Wo'va;beans of roon'n lege but wo trou t want them 411 rihab year', Swarms ,Of •fleai attached the 'Hen in the egeeway'shotee at Ste SiThomas. tlm other day, ' Was this a neve cheme. to, make the railway workers, 'hop" a ;bit faster? • The "fire I3yiaw ". passed 1.4f the Clinton eouaneil last• Weelt, IS of 'tercet to all citizens, Everyone should lead it, . etbehwise ,you don't 'know whether you're a' lawbreaker or not, Lloyd George has eeeeived 4,500 in-` vitations to speak while on bis trip tothit;::sid'e of the Atlantic. ' Were he5to accept all of them it would take him several years to complete his tour; ..Premier King thinks Canada shotjid have paid her wax debt as she went along. I'Iaii Canada done only as much as .MeRenzie King, wanted her to; in the war perhaps • it might have been, easy; to do so. Ilon,.Mr. Fielding gave d3aronRen-, frew a •'tw o -dollar, bill When he was in Ottawa .this; week, • ,It ,was' the ;first number of a new issue whiehleas ` :been run 'off ' and bears an engraving -of the Prince of Wales, The ;Brussels `Post wants us, to 'whistle at our work. But when the "boss" is; away,. the .machine `breaks :down, fourteen"people more br less. want a certain job right on the dot e.and you Hardly know 'which` way to turn first, you'' neer all your wind 'to keep going, to say nothing "of whist= ..',The eating of • mushrooms has al- ways been attended with more or less owing to 'the difficulty of `ibe euro of the hairnless varieties. But down London way a new danger ' leas loomed up. '. A. lean': was shot ` the other day while gathering mush- - rechis lush--monis in a pasture field, •by theown er of the..freld, , Sometimes recklesspeoplemake the Statement that niore liquor is drunk Aizider Ontario's prohibition law than was the case under license. We have "never been inclined to believe it but after all perhaps it true; We cer= ','tainiy ;saw more drunk men ander" the old license 'system but' we never even heard ...of a 'drunk cow, Bud _ the story` cones from' Cargill of a heed 'of eows'whieh came home drunk. rhe 'other day. It is' supposed that the cows 'eame across sone' "swantp" ;whisky.ai d took a swig. Wonder' if ey'd' give malted milk that night. The New Zealand .premier, at. the Imperial ::Conference in London the .other day; made, the .statement that :'Tow .Zealand was "getting settlers even froze Canada." But the tIon. George ".'Graham was too many foe. ream ancleinade hire adiiiit'that any "settlers'.' going from Canada were. people wh-o, .having amide their "pile," were looking for a suitable climate in 'which "to "spend 'their leisure. Those "little? sister dominions liad better` not get too fresh with this "big" sis- ter Dominion of Canada. They'll get their' earns boxed if they do. '!If Newfoundland wants; to sell Lae brador to Canada," remarks the Tor - ,ionto Star, "we don't want to pay for ..;it at a real estate man's• estimate of 'its per foot frontage value, nor..an, i- cenman's valuation at ^so much par 25 -pound. ehunk .of ice. In buying it,: 'if Canada does buy it, it would hard; ly do to value it by the sere. A hump stun price.iught to iZe put on it: And Newfoundland in suggesting this lump sum, should not forget that Can ads; would not take Labea(or away, "ebut. would' leave t right there, .where at, would probably be of as enuch val. ...ate to Newfoundland as it has ever been in bhe past" 3y theSametoken, Canadians tyro apt Joot;,erazy, either, about' having ,,..anything added to its public' debt' just ..now, to buy. `mere. torirtoi•y. • ' We've slot a`5 all crowded. To help 'reap the splendid Harvest which has ,Just been taken off in the. western provinces of: Canada a large: dumber of British teem hands were i Blight out fetal the Old Land. A. number of these, of course, carne with the idea -of, settling' in Canada, should opportunities present themselves for liiaking a living ;until a 'permanent home can be secured. 'These are the :'sort of settlers Canada needs, men of L ritish bleed, with long generations q`i training in British ideals' and etra-'. . ditions.. -Canada should be willing to, make same sort of effort to procure . and retain Siler settlers, During the winter months there is not . so :nnich• work to be done our the farms but if, wherever possible; whore .there is ape. alai work to be : done, farmers could procure the aoeOiceta. of these men, • who would remain with them the • touting summer, .. the problem of faran help"for the neat yearmightbe early solved. Tho Govermnent is ' malting an effort to 'place as many.aas -possible of these harvesters, using 'the Soldiers' Settlement Board in its effort to do so, Anyone: interested may Write to E. R. Foyston, Field Supervisor, Byron, ,Ont., -for' further "particulars, '"rho G.oderieh Signal was rude to us • Xlttt Week.;, Yee, sir, downright ends, t ; • aeensetl us of not rhaying any Punk'', and actually said .that We'd et 011nloir Ma in, its heel" wiihotat. so much; as trying • to find out the ante, or , tiaarnethi.ng to that effect,' NoW; if that isn't the height of rudoj: truss wedlike to know whale it is, tt'owovoxr .We ltnow 'What awned The S1 nal, Tire' w0sk.N4pre o toirsk 01. 0c33d caught it in an error, We ;called attention to: the feet that The Slenel was kaawling about being des- %inxitated against itn; the matter of hydra in ireesee, The'`Signel stated, and evidently°believed,'that Goderieir woe the cniy town whiell' had an; in-, crease; "When," as it'wallod, "at the s,anle time a Iarge nun bee of towns `and villages have been notified that the charges to them will' be reduced.' The Charge per hoesepower through. MeV the whole Niagara' eYstem 'has been incree ecl, and Chalton, seed Goele- . xieb, being a long distance from the source; of power, pays: a .somewhat high Talo, We did not object to The Signal's 'protest against the increase in rate, A11 we did :'was to point met that Godeeieh was not "picked on." foran increaso but ferret as did all the riinnleipelities. Clinton doesn't like the increase a bit., bettor than piny of the other towns but, owing to. inereese1l Bost of everything: and the develoliennent of the system, it seems imposisliio to avoid it. ' We are hop- ing that when these developenients 44'0 pa7d. for, our Tateq will fall. But If The Signal expects The News -Re- cord to join in its cry for a fiat rate all over' the Provinee it .is going to be •disappointed., It cannot be done, unless the Provincial Governinen's should purchase the whole thing from the municipalities now owning it and run it as 'a purely Provincial affair. This the Province at present has no =idea of doing. And we would not advise the province to do it. "' It can be managed better as it is, '.Hydro is a public utility, publicly ownedand supposed to be'run at cost, '• the cost being met, not by the Province at large, but by the snunicipalitiee us- ing the power. The . municipalities near the source of supply, obtain their power 'ata laver cost than does'CClin- ton or Goderich. This is inevitable as, long as we adhere to the :power -at- vest; plan, and, 'so far, we .have not had anything:. better projeeted than the elewer-at.cost plan,. The; flat rate is out of the question and until The Signal can put forward some- thing which will appeal more strong- ly to the commonsense of The News Record it will not find this journal lined up .vith it, even if The Sighal •should at times grow ,harsh, as it warmed us last week it might do, and rude, as it ,occasionally' does... 4111111 At the:opening of the school terns, the teachers of Clinton Public school were -instructed to collect the suns of $2.50 per month from each out -of -the corporation pupil, of which there are about twenty. Some of the pupils came without the necessary r "siIler" and were sent home. Some stayed out a clay or two. others a week' or two but all are now 'back, the Matter having leen adjusted by the paging of the required fee. - Some of the parents are already paying' taxes 'in town; although not -en property to the value of (1000. They have now paid the difference between the taxes cern ally paid and the amount the school fees would conte to, while the others have agreed to the :fee. It seems only just that non-residents should pay a ,fair share of the cost of edu- cating their children 'when they pre- fer sending them to Clinton school rather than that Clinton taxpayers bear the whole expense.' The fee charged is said to cover only the cost of tuition, not to mention the cost of ;providing and maintaining the school.' Of course, it will be argued, all these people pay 'taxes soniewhei'e and they have a' eight to send their children to the most convenient school. There 'rrtay' be' something in that but Marfhaget RIVETT-ERRINGTON-At Vetoria street Methodist parsonage, Code - rich, on October 3rd, by 'Rev. J. W. Medley, Mary Errington, of Weet Wawanosh, to Charles Wesley Ri- vett, of Ashfield. HILLIARD- ROBINSON--e Yet Ed- monton Alberta, ons Sept. 20th, Celia Ruth Robinson, clanghtee of ;Mrs, henry Robinson of Goderich, to Wilfred L. "Billiard, son of Dr, and Mrs. Hilliard, .05 Waterloo, Ont. COXWORTI5- I-IEIDEMAN--•In the Triyitt Memorial Church, Exeter, on October 3rd, by the Rev. A. A. Trunxper, Miss Edythe, youngest daughter of, Mr. and. Mrs. Edward Heideman, of Exeter, to Mervyn Coxworth of ,London, son' of l . and Mrs. Arthur Coxworth of Hen sail. MILL1R-DAY--In , Trivitt Memor- ial. Church, Exeter, on :October 3rd, Ethel Violet, second daughter of Mr, and Mrs; Louis Day of Ex- eter, to Wt'lfred Carling Miller of London. 1)REW,13ROO1--CLARK: At Boor Street Presbyterian Church, Toron- to, on October 31St, by Rev. De. Pidgeon Mabel Louise, only daugh- ter of 11r. and Mrs.: J. T. Clark,. no Thomas 'Geoffrey Drew -Brook, son of Mrs. Drew -Brook' -and the late William Drew-Broolt, all of Toronto, ALEXANDER-THOM?SON--At the home of .the.bride;s parents, gip-, porr, on October; 3rd, by the Rev. R. A. Lundy, Elizabeth, daughter of Mr. and Mrs; G. E. Thompson, to Albert Alexander of Tuckersmith. TAYLOR . HAMILTON - At the home of the bride's parents en Oct, 3rd, Celia, eldest, daughter of Me. and: Mrs, David H'aniiltoli to Ger- ' lion Taylor of Detroit, son of Mr, J, Taylor of Auburn. COLE -In Clinton Hospital, on Oct, 5th, to Mr, and Warwick .Cole, a eon -"Vincent Walnut, SHAW ---At Auhurn, an October let, to Mr. and Mrs, Russell Shaw, a daughter.'• WALICElt--•In Wingham, our Septent- bee 270., to Mr, "and Mrs, Thomas Winker, a daughter. • PROCTBRe--In Morris, on, Get. 2nd, to Mr. and Mrs, J.:Stewart Praetor, a eon,. 11tr M At Bayficld, an Oetoher:1Oth Relehie Willie -els, wife of Mr. 'Wan. Dunn, aged 82 yearrs, 0Ii.OWT1.--5n11edorich, en Tuesday, October 2nd, 1523, Catherine Dean, widow of the late Ernest Crowe, in L leer .48th, year, Clinteit ratepayers do not feel -thea' they aheuld provide efacetenadatioil for and pay, the salary' of an extra teacher to teach the ehildrouof non- residente who do not pay oinything into trio town "tennis.;: A. good look all aroundthe question will convince almost anyone of the juetiea of Clin- ton'e Cate. The case of the Collegiate Institute is in some respects worse than that of the Public school` for the 0. I, board cannot collect even a fee fr.oin non-residents, The Clinton ,ratepay- ors provide and Meiutain a Collegiate. --it may hot be the macer up -,to -date 'balding, Mcleod, the inspector has been dinning into the oarsof the board these; Imlay years • that it is anything but that and , more than broadly. Hinting that it should be ee-. plae.d with a more modern elle,--but anyway, there it is, , The town pro- vided it alid•anaittains; it rThe board Must provide aeoonninodatien for the students who. apply for admission, provide" teachers with certain qualifi- eations to teaeh thorn anal may not charge fees to any outsiders, The county, it is true. provides a grant but this year this grant will not be divided. 'according to the number of non-resident pupils accommodated but will be divided equally annongst the Collegiates. and High schools in the county. It is the right of ,every child to receive anadequate education' but the burden of giving that child an edu- cation should fall 'heaviest upon the ones being benefited in every -ease. Auction Sale of IIoueehoid Effects An auction sale to he held on'Sat- urday,...October the 20th at 2 p.m. of household effects, consisting of bed- room and diningroom furniture, stove, chairs; rocking chairs; coir roris; folding leaf table and numerous other articles including one fine up- right piano and sewing machine. Terms, cash. All goods to be re- moved immediately. Grace L. Shee ley, Proprietress. Geo. H, Elliott, Auctioneer; (over Cliffs shoe store.) 23-2. Auction Sale of farm stock and implements. The undersigned auctioneer has received instructions to sell by public auction at lot 28, concession 4, Mullett, one and a 'half miles north of Clinton, Base line, on Wednesday, October 24, commencing at 1 o'clock sharp the following: HOESI:S-Horse, 5 years old; horse, 9 years; filly 2 Years; geld- ing 2 years; driver, 10 years. CAT_ TLE; -.Cow, 5 years, due tb freshen in December; cow, 5 years, due to freshen in April; eow, 4 years, due to freshen in May; cow, 5 years; '7 steers, 1 year old; thorobred Polled - Angus heifer, 1 year, with pedigree; 5 heifers, 1 year old; 6. spring calves; PIGS -brood sow in pig; 8 store pigs ;100 'heas; 1 year old; 50 pulletts, 2 geese; 1 gander; 3 ducks, .1 drake, IMPLEMENTS -Fa -ores friend 2- furrew gang viewlarge size, for either Cor 5 hoz sae, new; single plow Vezity No. 7, its w seuii'eir, new.; wa- gon, new; wagon- hrx; gravel box; root pallier; top buggy; 2 sets single: harness;' ^2 sets double harness; De Laval cream separator, nearly new, and numerous other articles. Every- thing will be sold. TitRM.S--All sums of $10 and under, cash; over that amount 12 months credit on ap- proved joint notes or discount of 3 per eent. fee •cash, Walter Mair, Proprietor. George T•I. Elliott, Ane_ tioneer. 23-2, Auction Sale Of farm stock and implements, at :Lot 16, :Bayfield Road lis mile ,west of Varna, on Thursday October 25th. at 1 o'clock, the following: HORSES -Heavy draft horse„ 7 years; heavy draft aged horse;,grey driving mare. CATTLE -Holstein cow, 7 years, due May 5th; Durham cow, 7 years, due May 10; Polled Angus cow, 6 years, due May 7; Holstein calf, 15 months; yearling steer; 2 spring calves. IM- PLEMENTS -Deering binder, 7 ft. cut with tongue truck; Deering mow- er, 5 ft. cut; M. -H. fertilizer disc cirill,.11 disc; M. -H. steel roller, 9 ft., new; Noxell spring tootle cultivator, Deering' corn cultivator with 'bean attachment, nearly ' new; 14 - disc harrow with 3 - horse equaliz- er; Clover Leaf manure spreader; Deering; 'side delivery rake; sulky horse rake; wagon, nearly: new; bob- sleighe;'cutter, nearly new; set scales, 2000 lbs., new; Syrup evaporating machine '3x8 Grim Mfg. Co., 70 feet of steel piping; 2 -wooden troughs; 200 sap buckets with steel covers; 22 steel staunchions, single stall, new, 8 3t steel posts 8 ft. long; top buggy democrat; part; 2 fuerow gang plow;. Preston walking plow; farming mill; 8 -,section iron harrows; hay fork with car; 150 ft of rope, slings etc.; post - hole auger;• Carter fence machine; 12 window frames, 6 12x16 pans; Set double harness;' set single harness; saddle; 2 ladders 24 :ft.; number .of cedar posts; quantity of hay; grind- stone and numerous other articles us- ually :found, about a farm. "Every- ehing must be sold as proprietor is giving ep farming, TERMS: -$10 and under, Lash, or le months credit' on approved joint notes or 6 pet' cont, for eash, ' A. Robertson, Proprietor. Geo, I1. Elliott, Auctioneer. Mortgage Sale of Farm Property Under and by virtue of the powers contained in a certain mortgage which' will be produced at the time of sane then will be offered for sale lie pub-„ tic auction by George 11, Elliott, auc- tioneer, aai the. Council ,Chamber, Clin- ton, on Saturday, October 27th, 1923, at the hour of 8 o'clock p.n, the fol- lowing property: Lot number 32 in the 9th concession of the township of Goderich .in the county of.Huron, containing 80 acres of land mote or less, On the property are a substantial house and outbuildings and all such improvements asare eentrnen t{r ;farms in .the region. The soil is clay loam and has been carefully cul- tivated, .TERMriS; 10 per tent. of purchase ori .day of sale and balance in 80 days, Salo subject to reserve bier: Con- ditions of sale macre known on; appli- cation to W. t'ydone, Clinton, Ont. George -H. Elliott, Vendor's Solicitor, ,Auctioneer, of Pure Castile Soap, cakestand, bars in our window; .'he' First three per. sons. guessing correctly or neaeest'.00reeat we will give ist prize China Berry "Bowl; and prize a'Cltina Speen 'xray;` 3rd prize 7 calces of Castile Soap, Results Saturday, October 201h.' Special For Balance of Montle. '7 cakes Castile Soap 25o, I lb, Bulk Cocoa ; , , , . 100 J. liar Castile Soap , . , . , ,., „230, r^1 pkg. Cern Flaltee; , , , , , , , , . 10c. 10 Calms 4Laue dr^y'Soap ,48e, O lb, Roiled gats , .', ,2ae, 3 Pkg., Ammonia or Pearline , ..25e, 5 lbs. Pure Lard, , , , , . 81,00 5 plsgs, Rinse 2 lb. Ginger • Snaps, 1 Prig, Ivory Snap Flakes, *seine AS 0 Glass Tumblers ;Cour Store 'i s Our ,Store, JQ NSC ( C 'S CROCE ',1( Phone ttt TUB ' STO1tF' P013 EVi71003OD'!," rown's Bread Bread delivered • to ail parts, of town 5l'ANY VARIETIES OI' CAKES AND BUNS Fresh' for your tattle daily We make Wedding cakes a Speciality Neilson's Ice Cream an Chocolates Fa J. BROWN KER AND CONFECTIONER Phone 1 ecce NEW LAID G S ALSO LIVE POULTRY We pay the farmer a premium for strictly New Laid Eggs and also for well fattened Live Poultry of all kinds. Special arrange- ments will he made to handle produce from a distance. Phone or Write us for regular weekly price list which gives all the necessary information. Gann, Lanai i.r bs a& Co., Limited Day Phone 190 MonB'eeal,Quebec.. N. W. TREpM kgqA Manager, Clinton Branch Night Phone 214w Private Sale Of household furniture, at my resi- dence, Fulton street, on Saturday, Oc- tober 20th. Call any hour. E. Row- cliffe. 23-2-p. Strayed From the premises of the under- signed, on or about the 28th of Sep. tember, a year-old red heifer, star on forehead a little white on flanks and dehorned. Any person with inforana- tion of whereabouts of same, please phone 6 on 245 Seeforth. Robt. Clark; R. R. No. 2, Sea£orth. 234f. Auction Sale Of farm, farm ,,stock and imple- ments. The undersigned auctioneer has received instructions to sell by public auction at Lot 11, concession 5, Stanley, on Thursday, October 18th, commencing at 1 o'clock sharp the following: Horses -grey heavy horse 10 years old; grey heavy horse, aged; bay carriage mare,aged; sorrel dri- ver, 5 years old; bay colt, 4 years old, general purpose; bay colt, 2 years old, general purpose. •Cattle -large black cow, 7 years old, good milker, clue 'to freshen February 27th; Hol- stein heifer, clue November 29th; hol- stein heifer, milking, (first calf); Hereford grade heifer with calf at side; Durham grade heifer with calf at side; 2 Durham grade cows, 7 years old, due in December; 6 two-year-old steers; 7 two-year-old heifers 2 spring calves;' 2 Yorkshire sows; 2 Tamworth pure bred sows; 8 pigs five weeks old,; 75 hens and pullets and 8 turkeys. Implements -Deering bin- der, 6 ft: "cut; Deering mower, 6 ft.; horse rake; wagon; hay rack; wagon box; set of Manitoba sleighs; 2 sets of,harrows; roller; cultivator; chill; disc; single furrow riding plow; walk- ing plow; six H.P. Barrie engine guaranteed in first class condition; cutting box; fanning hill; Anker "Molt cream 'separator (000 lbs.); Daisy churn; set double harness; set knockabout harness; set single har- ness; .scuiller; ar-ness;.scuillor; harness horse; set 240 lb. scales; grindstone; wheelbarrow; 130 ft. hay fork chain; hay feat; set slings, complete with lock; sap. pall;' McLaughlin buggy, steel tires; deem - Oat; surrey; sugar kettle; number of beehives and supers, spraymotor on wheels; chains; forks; pulleys and nu- merous other articles as well; 20 load of hay; quantity of straw; about 600 bushels of oats; about 350 •bushels of mixed grain (oats, barley and buck- wheat), about 75 bushels of barley; a quantity of heavy chop, mostly wheat. Household Goods-Me0lary Famous Active range; McCrary Mars double heater parlor .stove; numbee of kit- chen chairs; squaee piano, Erne tone, with stool; barrel, one half full of vin- egar; Daniel's incubator, 60 egg size, hot water; quantity of jars, etc.; rad- io, 0 tube W. D. 11, operated an tele- phone batteries, have received con- certs 1,500 miles away, complete with aerial and ground wires and' will be installed for the buyer and guaranteed in first class working order. The farm will also be offered :for sale sub- ject to a reserve bid, if nob sold pre- vioucly. Terms -All earns of $10 and under, furniture, grain, hay straw, 50111 and little pigs, cash; stock and implements, 12 months' or;e- cift on furnishing approved joint notes. Sire per cent. off• for cash on eredit amounts,' Torahs on farm made known nil clay of sale. No reserve as the proprietor is giving up farming, T', Wolelt, .'reprinter, Geo, H. Elliott,' Atietionoeri, Credit Auction Sale of Registered Hereford Cattle October 16, at 1 o'clock 12 bulls, 30 cows and heifers from imported stock. Also horses, grade cattle, sheep, pigs and implements. A. real clean- ing out sale. Lunch at 12 o'clock for those com- ing a distance. Send foe Catalogue, Thos. B. Aitken, J. Purvis, Proprietor, Auctioneer Teeswater. 22-2-p Farm For Sale 75 acres on the 12th concession of Hallett, lot 29. On the premises is situated a barn 52x50 on a stone wall. Good stabling with cement floors, Driving shed 46x30, loft over head. Straw shed 28x20 on a stone wall. New hen house, 32x24. Well at barn with iron pump. Comfortable frame house with cement floor in cel- lar. Three wells with iron pumps, also a good spring. This farm is well drained and fenced. 1 acre of orchard. Six acres of hard wood hush 1/z mile there school. Two miles from station. This is a fust class farm. For particulars apply to J. D. Elsley, Auburn, R. R, No. 1. 22-4-p House For Sale. 8 -room frame house on Victoria et. Electric light, town water. Large garden with some fruit trees, Apply to Geo. II, Elliott. 22-tf. • For Sale A Ford Sedan, in good condition, must sell. J. Ester, M,D,, Varna , 22-2, Breeding Lambs For Sale Nine choice well bred Leicester ewe lambs and two ram lambs for sale, Apply to Lewis Crich, R, ll. No. 4, Clinton, phone 26 on 017. 22-2-p. Leicester Sheep For Sale A, few good young owes and ewe lambs. Apply to Wan, W. Wise, R. R. No. 3, Clinton or phone 22 on 605. 22-tf. Cement Platforms I am still making cement tops for wells, with 3 -inch ventilator, made according to order to fit any well or pump. Can be removed any time. Cheaper than lumber. II, It Can- tclon, R. R. No. 5, Clinton. Phone 15-610. 21.3-p, Desirable Property For Salo Niece form home of 100 acres ne more, just outside the corporation of the town of Clinton, on the Pro- vincial I•Iighway, being lot 22, con- cession 1, Hallett, township. Soil, good clay loam, excellent water. For Particulars apply to Alex, R. Brawn. 20-tf. Ford Truck For Salo Half ton ford truck, in good run- ning condition. Apply to Earl Crich, Clinton. ' 10-55. St. Paul's Crunch Bazaar The ladies of St. Paul's church will hold their annual bazaar on Thurs- ;day afternoon, November 22nd. Ii'tir- ther particulars will be given late, Keep this date in mind, 20-5f,