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Times -Advocate, November 6, 1991
Candidates look for votes, answer public's questions
By Adrian Harte Teta-Adrocab editor
EXETER - The very first question at last Wednes-
day evening's all -candidates meeting came right out of
left field. While most of the 10 candidates had ex-
pected questions about taxes, the economy, and plan-
ning, a woman stood up in the audience of about 50
people gathered in the fire hall board room and asked
if council had considered setting up a reliable day care
facility in town.
Incumbent candidate Ben Hoogenboom was the first
to address the question. He said that when one was
looked into in 1973 no interest was expressed. He
also noted today there are two excellent nursery
schools operating in town that meet some of the need
for child care.
"I don't need the day care, but I do sympathize," said
Hoogenboom.
Councillor candidate Don Winter agreed that care -
giving is a necessity for some families and said coun-
cil might consider it "but watch out for cost".
Incumbent reeve Bill Mickle said the issue had not
been brought before council in a long time, but agreed
it may be a legitimate concern worth considering.
However, he said financial constraints could prevent
the introduction of a day care program for at least a
year.
Incumbent councillor Dave Urlin noted that with
many young families in town the time for a day care
may have come. He suggested that the youth centre or
recreation centre might already be an ideal location.
Incumbent councillor Ervin Sillery said government
grants are available to establish and operate day care
centres and that a Tuckersmith program has been run-
ning well for several years.
Q•Hoogenboom was quizzed about his suggestion
the town could cut back on its wage budget by requir-
ing days off in lieu of overtime.
"If a person has worked a day overtime, they should
take a day off in lieu of overtime [pay]," said Hoogen-
boom, who said he was concerned that the town's po-
licing budget has grown from 159,000 since 1973 to
approximately a half million dollars.
"I'm quite happy with our police force, don't get me
wrong..but it has to stop somewhere," he added.
Q•The reeve candidates were asked what restraints
on spending were being made at the county council
level. Mickle replied that he has taken "a very hard
line" on county spending, but he pointed out Exeter has
only two votes on the council. However, he said he
and deputy -reeve Lossy Fuller were able to lobby for a
cap on the museum project budget, but have not yet got
one for the Huronview Nursing Home projects.
While the Waste Management Master Plan is expen-
sive, Mickle conceded that he didn't think "any one
municipality in Huron County could go that route by
themselves". Seaforth tried and failed, he noted.
Mickle did agree the focus of municipal taxation has
shifted. While the town used to keep 48 percent of tax-
es collected, that has dropped to 38 percent with the re-
mainder going to the county and the board of educa-
tion.
Challenger Harry Klungel noted that while the
county budget went up nine percent this year, he asked
"what do we really get from the county council?"
Mickle replied that the health unit, social services,
the libraries, and the county roads are some of the
things administered at the county level.
Klungel said he was concerned that many programs
are, "implemented by staff without county council ap-
proval."
Mickle disagreed, saying that impression was "totally
false" and that the relevant committees all present re-
ports to the council for debate and approval.
"The elected people have control of what's going on
up there," insisted Mickle.
Q•Hoogenboom was asked why he spoke out
against raising impost fees on new lots in town. He re-
plied that council has to be careful because there is in-
terest in building in Stephen Township "practically at
our doorstep".
When responding to the suggestion that the present
$750 lot impost fee is "cheap", he said subdividers are
already required to install streets, sewers, and other ser-
vices, to the tune of about $17,000 per lot.
"Let's not price ourself out of the building market,"
said Hoogenboom.
Q•Councillor candidate Tom Humphreys was asked
if this term he would have the time commitment avail-
able to spend on town council mauers. Humphreys
was a councillor from 1981-88.
He replied that his present position with Northern
Telecom now allows him six weeks holiday a year,
which he can take at random so that he can attend
meetings.
Q•Humphreys was also asked why he favoured a
sewage treatment plant for the town when the system
had to be upgraded.
Reeve's chair and
six councilsats
up for grabs
He answered that the lagoon system is unable to be
expanded any further due to the capacity of the Ausa-
ble River and a treatment plant is a necessary, but ex-
pensive option.
Humphreys was asked how the sewer system could
be expanded when the Anne Street sewer has trouble
with the present capacity. He agreed that Anne Street
has its problems which would require a separate solu-
tion.
Hoogenboom agreed with Humphreys, saying that a
treatment plant is likely to be a main item an the next
council's agenda so that a development freeze can be
prevented.
(:).The candidates were asked whether development
had to continue, no matter what the cost of a sewage
treatment plant.
Hoogenboom agreed "these are some of the ques-
tions council will have to ask".
Klungel said he doubted the warnings that the
present sewage system is at its capacity.
"How do we really know at this time an expansion is
needed?" he asked.
Works superintendent Glenn Kelps replied that the
problem is not the lagoons, but the river, into which
they can be discharged only twice a year. A treatment'
plant's cleaner output would allow more flow into the
river.
Q•A woman at the back of the room said that coun-
cil minutes show that there were only 10 council meet-
ings in 1990 at which all council members were
present. In 1991, that happened only three times. She
asked if councillors should be paid the fixed per diem
rate they now receive, or a per -meeting rate to encour-
age better attendance.
Hoogenboom responded by saying he has only
missed one council meeting in the past 10 years.
Councillor candidate Don Winter promised good at-
tendance, as did Bert Branderhorst who said he has al-
ready cut down his vacation plans to two weeks. '
Councillor candidate Robert Spears said he has
missed few planning meetings, but said he did not fa-
vour a per -meeting fee because it encouraged the crea-
tion of unnecessary meetings.
"You shouldn't expect to get extra pay for extra
meetings," he argued.
Councillor candidate Robert Drummond said he fa-
voured the per -meeting rate and that councillors should
not get a "blank cheque at the beginning of the year"
regardless of attendance.
Urlin said with the extra committees he sits on, he
averages seven meetings a month, and that he hasn't
missed many.
Mickle conceded he had "missed a few" meetings,
but said he was not ashamed of the amount of time he
has put into the town's affairs, which totalled 1,200
hours the one year he kept track of it. Mickle said that
meetings are only part of a council member's duties
and no one .keeps track of the frequent visits to the
town office.
Sillery said he was also not in favour of the per.
meeting rate and said that council meetings are not
everything. Councillors have to remain up to date, re-
gardless of attendance.
Klungel pointed out he missed only three meetings
each year.
Q•Robert Spears was asked whether or not council
should be considering alternate traffic routes through
town to relieve Main Street congestion.
He said that while the subject has been often dis-
cussed at planning meetings, there are cost factors to
consider, and which residential areas could receive the
traffic.
"If you flow traffic away from the downtown of Ex
eter, that's going to be a problem. The retailers aren't
going to like it," he said.
Q•Hoogenboom was asked if Exeter's plan to sell
and zoneindustrial land at the north end of town had
been as much of a success as hoped.
Hoogenboom said that while plans were in the world
to encourage three or four smaller industries to locate
in the town, the industrial land had seen more relocat
tions of existing industries than new ones.
"Has it provided more jobs to the community? 1
would say no," said Hoogenboom. "It's there, and
hopefully we will have some changes there in the next
year."
Q•Winter was asked why he did not favour the clo-
sure of the town dump in favour of a county site since
the local landfill is leaking leachate, is in a low-lying
area, and is nearing capacity.
Winter replied that he had "a problem with those ex-
perts up there. They're garbage experts".
He said he did not favour the "semi -regionalization"
that would require only one northern -county dump.
Why could there not be two or three landfill sites? he
asked.
Mickle pointed out that 1997 is the earliest a county
landfill can be expected to be open, so Exeter will need
to expand its present site before then, likely at less cost
than trucking garbage for those years.
ert randerhorst
Branderhorst is a retired farmer
and former Tuckersmith councillor
who moved to Exeter last March.
He spoke of his moving to Iowa
from Holland in 1949, and then to a
farm in the Hensall area as part of a
family of 12.
Branderhorst said his reason for
running for council was that he felt
he had the time and experience to
serve the ratepayers.
He said that the present high un-
employment rate meant council had
to keep local taxes down.
"I don't believe any government
can borrow itself out of debt," said;
Branderhorst.
He also said he was concerned
about environmental issues.
"This earth can only take care of
our needs and not our greeds," said
Branderhorst.
Robert rummond
The former Tuckersmith council-
lor and former director of the Hen-
sall and District Co -Op said his
main concern is to "tighten the rein
on public spending."
He said local plant shut downs
will be hard on the local economy
and council must make an effort to
keep taxes down.
"We may be on hard times now,
but with the businesses closing we
will be on harder times," said
Drummond.
Without being specific, Drum-
mond also questioned the necessity
of some espy projects the town
has undertaken in past years, and
he said council must work harder to
get taxpayers the "best value for
our dollar".
Ben Hoogenboom
Incumbent candidate Ben Hoo-
genboom has been chairman of the
public works committee and a
member of the executive committee
of council.
He said in the last election he had
three concerns as his campaign
platform: the relocation of the fire
hall, the ongoing conflict with the
county planning department, and
that the town was not getting its
share of provincial capital funding.
The fire department has since been
relocated, an agreement has been
reached with county planning, and
the supplements from the province
through the ministry of transporta-
tion and the PRIDE program have
allowed large capital projects to
per.
This election, said Hoogenboom,
his concerns include trying to keep
Exeter competitive with surround-
ing municipalities.
Tom Humphreys
Humphreys served as a council-
lor from 1981 to 1988 and was a
member of the recreation and ce-
metery boards. He noted that in the
three years he has been away from
council, a lot has changed. The
new fire hall has been built, town
administrator Rick Hundey was
hired, and new subdivisions have
begun.
But, he said Free Trade has had
an impact on local jobs, the reces-
sion is being felt, and the GST is
hurting sales.
"In general__ bditions are not
good," said Humphreys. "Busi-
nesses must be encouraged to lo-
cate in Exeter. Industries must be
encouraged to locate in Exeter."
The town itself, he said, will be
needing to look at expanding its
servicing capacity including more
landfill capacity, and a sewage
treatment plant.
Bill Mickle
As the incumbent reeve candi-
date, Mickle pointed to his experi-
ence as chairman of the Ontario
Small Urban Municipalities associ-
ation and his work as the founding
president of Exandarea Meadows.
Exeter, he said, is a great town,
but is facing challenges of future
development, the way in which it
relates to other governments, and
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Mickle said he saw "so many dif-
ferent scenario" for Exeter's future,
and said council must work to max-
imize the situation. Otherwise, he
waned there could be a develop-
ment freeze, and lower provincial
transfer payments under restructur-
ing and "disentanglement". •
"The situation is going to force us
to be more careful with our budget
and the way we spend taxes," said
Midde.
Mickle said Exeter has to make
sure county restructuring does not
wort " to the detriment of small
municipalities", and he said OSUM
has taken a strong stand an the is-
sue also.
He said growth in the town has
caused pressures for increased ser-
vicing, land rezoning, but growth
must continue.
"We cannot stand still, for if we
do, we will deteriorate," said Mick -
le.
Harry Klungel
The challenger for reeve council-
lor in this last term, said he not
only was a former Hensali reeve,
but was the owner and operator of
Queensway Nursing Home, and is a
past director of South Huron Com-
munity Living.
He said one woman told him in
his door-to-door canvass that Mor-
ley Hall was the best councillor in
_Exeter for his work in bringing the
blue box program to town.
"Maybe we should have the same
attitude toward composters," said
Klungel, pointing out that compost -
able waste makes up about 18 per-
cent of garbage volume.
Policing, said Klungel represents
a "large chunk of money" in the
town budget, and said a reasonable
balance has to be found between
the size of the force and prevention
of crime.
Klungel told the audience his
suggestion earlier this year to the
police that a bike patrol should be
established was not taken too seri-
ously at the time, but has since be-
come a successful part of the pollee
beat.
The reeve candidate also pointed
to the town's traffic congestion and
argued for more traffic lights in or-
der to protect pedestrian children
and seniors.
Ervin Sillery
The incumbent councillor candi-
date is a retired farmer who said he
has been interested in politics for a
long time.
Sillery said he could remember a
political rally in Exeter when prime
minister R.B. Bennet came to
speak.
Sillery said that while many com-
plain about taxes and call for cut-
backs, he pointed out many issues
are "beyond town council" to con-
trol.
In reference to Winter's com-
ments, Sillery said that local land-
fill sites are very expensive to es-
tablish and maintain. Even though
a county -wide site may seem ex-
pensive, it may be cheaper than the
alternative.
"Being on council the past three
years has been a wonderful experi-
ence," said Sillery, noting that he
has been pleased to see many of his
recommendations put into practice.
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Spears, who has been a member
of the town planning committee for
the past 10 years, moved to Exeter
in 1979 and has worked with the
Scouts and is a charter member of
the Optimists.
"I believe in giving back as much
to the town as it gives us," said
Spears.
He said that the boom economy
of the 1980s led to high govern-
ment spending and high debt.
"Te '90s present a different sce-
nario," he said, pointing out that
lower consumer spending and
doubts about Canadian industry be-
ing able to compete on the world
market did not help.
"Therefore jobs are continually
leaving the country," said Spears,
saying that these pressures are go-
ing to make municipalities function
more efficiently and be "vigilant
and skeptical of the actions of the
province government".
Dave Urlin
Urlin, and incumbent candidate
for councillor, is chairman of the
recreation centre committee and is
a member of the police committee.
Urlin spoke of his family support
for his past term on council and
said he was proud of his achieve-
ments on council and committees.
He noted that the recreation cen-
tre adds about $75 per household to
the town tax rate and serves about
35-40,000 people each year.
Urlin called it "one of the most
efficient arenas and facilities in the
area.
Urlin also said his term on the
ton police committee was a learn-
ing experience which he would like
to continue if re-elected.
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Don Winter
Winter, a past member of the
planning and development commit-
tee, told the audience he had only
one message to offer them and that
was a warning about too -high tax-
es.
"We am rapidly reaching our lim-
it to pay our bills and cost must be
controlled," said Winter.
He said that county re-
organization is a main concern to
him because he sees opportunities
for municipalities to pay even high-
er taxes to cover the costs.
He cited the plan to introduce a
county -wide landfill site, which he
termed a state-of-the-art "single lo-
cation superdump". He said that
the county appears to have given no
consideration to municipalities,
such as Exeter, which will be locat-
ed a long way from the eventual
site and may have to pay transpor-
tation costs for its garbage.