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member of federal parliament
representing Huron, is also a
member of the standing
committee of national resources
and public works, Mr. McKinley
asked several questions of John
S, Foster, president of Atomic
energy of Canada Limited, when
he appeared before the
committee about mid-May.
Mr. McKinley's questons and
Mr. Foster's answers follow:
Mr. McKinley: Thank you, Mr.
Chairman. I would like to ask the
witness some questions regarding
the, ouglas point nuclear plant.
Where, to the main extent, does
the electric energy produced,
there go? What area of Ontario
does it supply now?-
Mr. S. Foster: As you know,
Douglas Point is located on the
shore of Lake Huron and it feeds
into that part of the systems at
Hanover, so most of the energy
would drop off toward the
Kitchener area.
Mr. McKinley:Could you
advise us as• to what stage they
are in now in production and what
will be the ultimate capacity when
the present plans are completed?
Mr. S. Foster:On the .site there
is the 200-megawatt, Douglas
Point nuclear power station and
now under construction is the
Bruce generating station with
four 750 megawatt units. Ontario
Hydrolias plans for commencing,
in two years' time, the
construction of a second plant,
like Bruce, of four 750 megawatt
units. So all together there will be
6,200 megawatts of generation on
the site. The Bruce heavy water
plant, of course, went into
operation in 1967, and for the past
two or' three years it has been
operating at around a 75 per cent
capacity. So far this year it is
operating at about an 85 per cent
capacity factor. The first two
Bruce Units will start up during
this fiscal year, so 1,500
megawatts should be in operation
a year from now.
Mr. McKinley:Did you say
there were plans for another
heavy water plant?
Mr. S. Foster: There is also a
heav y water plant on the site.
Operating now is ,an 800 ton per
year capacity unit, operating at a
high capacity factor and they are
building two more 800 ton
sections on that plant.
Mr. McKinley: These two 800
ton sections are being built on
the same' location?
Mr. S. Foster: •yes.
Mr. McKinley:Are there any,
further plans for further
construction of nuclear energy
plants, .or heavy water plants
farther. south on Lake. Huron
somewhere north of Grand Bend,
between the Bruce station and
Grand Bend? Are there further
plans in the foreseeable future
for other plants along Lake
Huron?
Mr. S. Foster: I do not know of
any plans. As you know, this is
Ontario Hydro's program. I do
not know of any plans to install a
plant further south along that
shore. ,
Mr. McKinley:That leads me,
Mr. Chairman, ,to the next
question. It has never been quite
clear to me exactly what
jurisdiction your Atomic 'Energy
of Canada .Limited people have,
.what jurisdiction Ontario Hydro
has, and the costs of these plants
to each. Could we learn a little
more about that please?
Mr. S. Foster:Certainly. With
respect to nuclear power in
Canada, ACL's main roles are to
do the underlying necessary
research on and development of
the system, and to provide
engineering with respect to the
nuclear steam-raising part of the
plant. So for plants that Ontario
Hydro, and other utilities are
building Quebec Hydro, and New
Brunswick we, in effect, act as a
consulting engineer, producing
the design and providing some
purchasing and technical
supervision services to the utility.
Mr. McKinley:And the
finances?
Mr. S. Foster:Perhaps we
should go back. The prototype
plants, which were plants built to
demonstrate the sytem at
Douglas Point and the Gentilly 1
plant in Quebec were built at
federal government expense. The
next stage was the construction of
the Pickering station. In that
plant we have an investment of
about 40 per cent in the first two
units. We get that repaid out of
earnings.
More recently, as you know,
the government has announced
that the first nuclear unit in other
provinces will be financed at half
the cost, usually to a celing. Half
the cost will be financed by the
federal goverment. This is the
case in Quebec, where the federal
government is lending up to $150
million for the Gentilly 11 plant
and in New Brunswick where the
government is lending up to $350
million for the Point Lepreau
plant.
Mr. McKinley:Did they do that
orginally with Ontario, but the
federal government does not do it
any more because it is not an
original installation? Is that the
reason? •
Mr. S. Foster:No, I think the
effect is about the same in all the
provinces. It took a little different
form in Ontario-breaking new
ground. The investment in the
two Pickering units, I think,,
corresponds quite well with the
loans to Quebec and to the New
Brunswick Electric Power
Commission. In the one case, it is
an equity, investment and, in the
other case, it is a loan. But they
are quite comparable.
Mr. McKinley:Does the federal
government - have any finances
involved in the Douglas. Point
plant at all or is it all Ontario
Hydro?
Mr. S. Foster:No, as I
mentioned, that was a
demonstration plant. It was not
built to be an economic plant. It
was built to learn and that is
about 95 per cent federal
investment and the same thing
with the Gentilly 1 plant in
Quebec.
Mr. McKinley:Are the heavy ,
water plants at Douglas Point on
Lake Huron, plants that are built
to learn or are they meant to be
production plants?
Mr. J.S. Foster: No, that is a
commercial plant. It was built by
ACL and sold at full cost recovery
to Ontario Hydro. The extensions
referred to earlier are being built
by Ontario Hydro. We are not
involved in those.
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