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The Signal, 1903-4-30, Page 5THE SIGNAL GODERICH O\TARTb TbukaoAY, t.I• I 11, 1 1 1 1 arrangements for the money, 1 will See what we can do " Ilse said, W. can do this now; it 1e all right, by throwing the Government down I will be made Minh/ter of Mines, and there will be no trouble then about what we can do." I said. "You go on and sea what arrangements you ran make about getting the money," Ile said, "Mind. that Is the story that we received 93.000 In Septem- ber, and 91.E for giving The Globe interview, that Stratton gave the money to Myers and Myers took It to the smoking room " I said. "All right, you make arrangetttent■ for your money." We talked on the proposed plan, and be said, "I will be back. and I will make arrange- ments for the money, and be back the, afternoon and see you " We talked about forty minutes, going over the pros and cons, and we went up (ho steps into Mr. (llackmeyer's office and he got his tickets for the House, and we walked out and I took him to the Public Work. lk- partment and introduced hint to Mr. Edwards and Mims O'Grady, and he went out. 1 stepped to the dour with them. It was then a few min- utes after eleven." Werwee Mr. letratioa. in the afternoon, Gainey said he had made arrangements, but he had not the stoney, and 1 resolved to go and See Mr. Stratton "As 1 went down the stairs," continued the wit- ness, "1 met Mr. Stratton at the foot of the .lairs, and I boweed to him and said, 'Mr. Stratton I wish to speak to you fur a moment;- thin titan (Gainey has been to see ate to- day and 1 don't think you had let- ter count on his Support very much by the way he 1s carrying out the stere he told me ' "?'hat 1s all right.' he says, 'I never expected -I dont trust those kind of fellows and never expected him to Support the (government anyway.' Ile walked or. 1 thought well, if you don't can- tt, know anything about this I don't rare whether you know 1t or not, if you don't want to know what kind of n fellow he t., I said, then all right 1 went out of the Parlament buildings and had my teeth fixed and went home.'' At this point the court adjourned until 2 p.ni. The Atlerwe.a• saadaa. At the opening of the court In the afternoon Mr. beery walked lin and looks vat In front. facing Mr Sul- livan ax he continued his ev lek•nce. The piano factory conee'reation, he explained, Was to rehearse the. story which Gantry was to tell, In order to see whetter 11 wan a good one •'Meet me at the piano fitetory and 1 can fix this and 1 can get the ...on- ry." he said Q. -So if he 'rad kept his Word When you came tog the piano fartory you would have. got the money? A - I suppoa. I would. 11e would hat.• offered It. 1 don't know whether I would have -I wouldn't have gut It that Is sure. Q. -Did you talk about the money In the piano factory? A -'?'here was ,oma mention of money made in the piano factory. Q -Did you talk about the money had a d.•al with a man like Gamey that he had stated ha would get and helot.. ems 1 suppose 1 probably giro to you? A. --No, not about the wax • little raw. and may have said sum he had stated he would get and a kw tilers one way or the other give to tae. that I ,hould not have sold. Q. -You wouldn't have token It? Q - You were a little what? A - A --No. I would not have taken the Well, 1 Ta. nut up to the art of Money dealing with a man like Gainey. Q -[a the piano (Klose was there Q -You were not up In the art of a word sail about the ]payment 10 defiling with the man Do you see you by him of any amount of mon- notch of your father? A. -Oh, yes ey1 A. -No, there was not. I Q _-Good many dealingn with him? 1 la time Huura they will Impxach me communication or correspondence be - for takingy •' lir led me to (ween him and (Jamey. or of their telleau he had receivtei 11114,114.3'frutproposed deals. Ile explained the ex- presslon upon which Gainey put a Itis owe party to put this thing up' different construction In his "ex - Q. --lie lvim to believe that he pose .• and said that as late as Feer had receivee d "'"ay lits Awn ruary 11 they were ■till considering party to put this thinging up? A.- g Yee and dlncusring timber propositions from which money might be made. Q. -Do you mean that took plaice Mr. RLa•'. Ure•tla s. In the piano factory? A - N.., that 1'he examination of Frank Multi - did not. van was continued by Mr. Blake at Me•q From c•..•rr.uvr.' the Royal Comtnlnalon at 10 o'clock yesterday morning. (h -flood morning Mr. Sullivan. Do you rementder Mr. Sullivan, what day it was that. you reaign,•d? A. - Yes sir, the 11th March. Without any conference with anybody. Q. -Going back to the 10th of September, Mr. Gamey refused to deliver up the letter of the 10th be- cause of something that he wanted from Mr. Aylcsworth which was nut arranged or could not be arranged? A. -No, 1 do not think so. Q. -And you don't know to what way any difficulty there might have been was removed so that the letter was ultimately delivered? A. -No, I do not; 1 know nothing about that. -Do you knew at wh letter was delivered? A. -I know nothing about that letter. 1 tell you, further than'Mr. Gamey put It in his pocket. Ile said he never saw The Globe interview to know it as such, but Mr. Gamey and Mr. Hammond were sitting at a table with a paper be- tween them. Mr. Gamey had prev- iously said he was going to give The (Globe an interview, and he sup- posed it was that paper. Beyond this he knew nothing about the In- terview. Q. -When did you first hear about that -The Globe interview. A. -'flat day -I knew that ha was going to give It that day. Q. -flow did you know? Gamey told me. Q. --Was that on the day that fin- ally 1t was given? A - Yea. I Q --And what hour of the day did he first tell you that? A. -Shortly The witness aald that he weft lel to believe on both trips to the Par- littinent buildings that bfr. Gamey got money from Conservatives Ile got his impression be:auee Gamey offered hint 92,000. "What for?" asked Mr. .;lake. "Ile offered err 92.000," wax the reply. "If 1 would swear to a lie." "What lie?" "That Mr. Stratton paid him 14,- 000." Q -And he didn't toll you where he was going to gut the $2,t)00? A. -Well, 1 cannot say. Q --110 either told you or he did not? A. -I knew it was going to come from hl■ own party. Q.-I)id he Cell you? A. -'•I will get It from my Menne." Q. -You were one of him friends, Were you not? A -Yes. The Petraaaae. Q. -Did you state to him In the piano factory that your father, Capt. Sullivan. had raid that a he wanted to make appointments that Mr. Gamey had the patronage? A - Yee, I think I inly have said that; 1 think pusmttl 1 did, because Mr. Symes had had s conversation with my father in 'Toronto. Q. -Did you say to Mr Gainey in reply to • question of his that you were sure that Mr. Stratton would pay over the rest of the money? A. - No, I did not. ll. -Will you swear to that? A -I will swear to that, yin. sir. Q. -And still you differ from the three', A -Yes, the only pia,'" that it was used was in connection with the patronage• t anuli. You ww get after lunch. cheque to the North American Llfe. the balance of the patronage. Q. -The ?louse opening? A. -Yea, A stat•w•et D•nled. Q. -And how did you accompany air. 1 Chancellor Boyd -Q. -What was him up to the Parliament 1tulidtngs?Q.-Will you tell me if anything said between you, if anything, in Q. -If you stated that the Govern- A -I knew what hour Mr. Gamey was said between you with referencediscussing whether Smyth. of Algo- ment would have to act right. "We would be up there, and 1 met himto the cause of that? A. -Well, he ma• could be bought or not? A.- hate Just got them where we want At Ise Paru•.w•nt Mutat■e.. said that his friends had got after There was never a word about that. them?" A -1 said to Mr. Gamey' Q. -There were two visits on thatham on the position ho had taken, 1 Q. -Did you say you would try to "'lite Government have got to net dart. A -'?"here wero two %emits onlbs interview he had given, and all se. him? A. -No, fir, I did not. right with you if you support that day; rI accompanied him bot.that, and they had come after hien Q -What was said about with- that, That is all that wax said tuuem with all kinds of threaten ands offers, drawing (he {,clition against Smyth? that could Ix. construed In that way. I Q -And then on the fire. inter -and the Inducement that 1 under- A --I never discussed that with any - q -And had you got thein just view that day you knew that there stood by which he made this stats- body. where you want them? A -Well, we wax to be something given to The Anent that he would be Minister of Q. -What was discussed about eaw- were not tr)tog to get them. I was Globe? A. -Ile told ate when he Mines in the Conservative Govern- Ing off the Davis petition? A. -There nut trying to get them in any place sante out of Mr. Stratton's office. nu•nt I was not anything discussed about where I wanted thein. ll -When he went up the second (Gamey did complain that he was sawing the Davis petition off. There q - Did you state that they needed titin• did you accompany him or did not getting ties patronage, and that was talk about the protest about Mr. Gamey now at badly as ever? A. you meet him in the buildings? A.- the timber deal was not going Mr. Davis. --•Certeinly. l met him In the buildings. through. 1 Q. -Ile said that you said that Q -That they had got three sick Q. -And was your first meeting in Asked if the three letters produced,. Pavia would never face a trial? A. - men and "there is Mr. F:vanturel the buildings on that second ecce- by Gamey in court were all he wrote No, •ir, I never said that. . who would go over to the other side stun before or after he had given the Game,., he replied. •'Oh, no; there I se.p(e(oa. et wet rmbr•tla. if he thought he could get the interview? A. -Before he had given was lots of correspondence." erehip." led you let him in- the Interv'le•w. I Coming the sin piano ter- S{eakMr. Johnston wanted this cosecs- tory episode, he eenidiA that on enter - to that secret? A -I may have said Q -Then did you walt there until pondence, and Mr. McPherson pro- ing he noticed a wet umbrella on a that I tell yod 1 may have said the interview was over? A -Yes, duced it, saying he had obeorved it, chair, and (Gamey said Mr. Croasin lot., of thingsair. but did not think it'pertinent to the Qmust have left it there. Ile said .-Wes it an unusual conversation for you, or WAS it your usual anode of dealing' A -Well, I had never • atumetnq oral made, an arrangement made, between you and hitt., that you and he made an arraugemegt out in }he et yet opposite the Walker Rouse by which a certain dlvlrluu was to take place; what do you say to that? A --The statement Mr. Gainey made about that, his statement in connection with that, Is a fuluehpod; that 1s all I can say about that. Chancellor Boyd reads from his own notes of Gamey's evidence, as to the statement that Sullivan ad- vised Gamey to resign, and said that the protest could be got rid of, and that • fairly good thing might - be made out of it. Mr. Johnston -Q. -You have hoard what his Lordship has stated? A. -- Yes. Q.-Dld that take place between you and Gamey? A. -No, sir, It did not. Q. --Did you over advise him to re- sign? A, -No, sir, I don't think 1 did. Q. -Did you ever tell him that the protest could be got rid of? A. -No, sir, I did not. Q.-Ilad you any authority from anybody to deal with that protest? A. -No, sir. Q. --Or any protest? A. - Q. -Did you say to him evidence could be got or fixed or switched around, words to that effect? A. - did not. Q. -Did he say to you Government was so close person would care to go sort of • thing, that it done and $5,000 could be of It, etc.? A. -No. I had no con- btu tetnhtut about the num of 93,u00 venation of that kind. In Ontario bank bills which they dl- is the case because we had been no- Was Gamey Wavrlag? vide', Sullivan raid emphatically, gotiating on different lines. • That is a Ifs." Sullivan admitted that he had kept dSullivan declared that until the As emphatically Sullivan denied hotel for his uncle at Palmerston for haday before the It. intention met Gamey that IlIooey w'ns paid on the nIi1lt of upwards of five weeks last summer, persisted In his of imp- 'the Globe interview. Ile ens mut he and had only been docked two weeks' porting the Government. aid in Mr. Stratton's office that P•Y• Q. -Did you notice at any time sI neaur.u'. Pta.oe•.. that ho was wavering in the pnaitlon day'1 "Your- remuneration was 12 per he had taken as an independent sup- Mr. Johnston &eked if he had ever day and pickings?" suggested ?dr. porter of the Government? A. -Not neglected to put his signature to a ; Sullivan said he had until the day previous to the House letter hatter before.sold My salary was 12 per day,' done so to • letter enclosing a mens A. -t w*a not there. Q. --10th or 11th September? A - I was not with hum When any parcel was delivered to him, In any matter, shape or form. Q, --War there any money paid 10 Crown knowing anythlug about this you on the 211th January? A. -No matter? A. -No, sir; 1 did not. sir. What 011.., Mtut.ter. anew. Q. -In which it is said that Mr. Q--Ikcause that was said, it was Stratton gave the denomination of said the Ministers knew all about it. the bills? A. -No sir. You never tusked them; you have no knowledge of any of the Ministers knowing anything about It? A -1 think all the Ministers knew Mr. Gamey was going to support the Governulent. Q. -That is not the question. 1 wan these allegations of payments, etc., they all knew he was going to support the Government. because all the country knew it more or lees at Sorge part of the time anyway. Mr. lilake- No doubt your Lord- ship's question was based upon the one that 1 asked yesterday, "Did you toll him that the rest of the Cabinet were trying to sit on Mr. Stratton and he thought he would show them what he could do? A. -Yes. The Chancellor -Well, 1t ls not on- ly based on that, but also-- • - Mr. Blake -Then Mr. Sullivan, If I litunderstood you correctly yesterday anytaing about this matter apart from Mr. Stratton altogether? A.- Well, In what way do you mean? Q. -Ltd you know anything about any of the other Ministers of the Q. -And` that you opened It and gave him halt at the west end of the Buildings? A. -No sir. Q.• --That you went In the first In- stance on the 10th or 11th of Sep- tember to the smoking -room, to the wash -room. and there divided and tore up the envelope --that is not so? A -Not true. Q. -Were you ever with this man In the smoking -room at all on those dates? A. -No air. Q --'?'hat is on the 0th, 10th or 11th of September? A. -No air, 1 was not. e• That Is a LI•." Inking up his money affairs. Frank stated that his father often assisted him in his household ex- penses on a couple of occasions giv- ing his cheque•a. lie admitted that we hen he took Gamey to w • Nn.t thvv thae Stratton on Sept. I), all that the you stated that the first that you bought or latter said ablaut "consideration" , heard about the Minister of Mines in wan that he would receive the same connection with Mr. Ramey was on er of the llovernnr n•nt. In fuel, the Parliament Buildtn? A. -Yes ga sir, that the vvgave a "blanket" denial to' that was the first. that no ell the references to money in G•- ! Q. -For ■ix month. you had been foto that I Y s account of the negotiations elaborating that scheme and during would be with the 1'rotinclal Secretory. And this time nothing had been said taken out finally, with regard to Gainey'a about it? A. -Well-- Q --1s not that the case? A. --That hat No, sir, or any considerations as any other support- the last visit that you had at the I Mista't see.•a+►•v sverytai■u. A -I do my father's correspond,mce He didn't remember everything and see my father every day that wax said in the piano factory. Ni.Iaer of slue.. hut iie admitted he might hese said He dental that Mr. Gainey said there that Mr. Stratton was uneasy anything In the piano factory about and wanted continually to are him. being Minister of Mins, as the I'rlce "Gamey was trying to play me. brother, said and," said the witness, "1 was try- Regarding the X. Y. Z. letter, ing to play him " For that reason, which hn admitted writing, he said hos tried to give Gamey the idea that that he composed 1h' typewritten en - all he had to do was to snap lila len- closure, but It wax written by Frank sere and the whole Government Ford of the Attorney -General's Pe - would come down. Ile allowed Gam- part:nent The enclosure, which was r7 to go no, Hist to sae how far he a draft of a ep.rch, was composed at world go, and then he intended to Gamey's request. 11. swore that he stop him and persuade him that the had received no assistance from any- course nycourse was foolish. one, unless his father. in connection The M.•rae••at'a te•wl•dje. with the encloeurc. q.-INd you state th it the whole "(Iraaping at straws and ceeeein. Iltr phantom of power," read Mr. Government knew of this matter? A. -Of what meter? Blake from that document. -"When did you get that?" Q. --Of tete Gamey arrangement? A. It took nee some time to prepare -No, I stated that 1 thought the that." whole Government knew bfr Camey That 10 a phantom." was going to support them, were led ,.Oh, It fs- to believe he Was going to support A timber limit that you did not them. get?" Q. -I have 10 oak you again, do Yee or a fishing licence that I you swear that you did not state did not get,- laughed Sullivan, knew of sent That the whop (iovrrntnent. Regarding a certain appointment, phi■ Gamey transaction -not merely he wrote: "Stratton thinks that a the quewtlon of support. but the good idea,•• and explained thet per- tten "Multi- ." for he e Minister mean, whereby that support was oh- hake he should have Wj Weed? A.-1 swear that i did not. van thinks it • good ide (1 -You "'weer that absolutely? A. had never consulted /11 - Yee, 1 swear that I did not use it about that. in that way. ,.So that you were simply playing Q -in what way did you uee 11.7 on Mr. Gamey?" A -1 said the whole Government '•1 wanted to get his confidence." knew. and were under the improutinn lio denied poeitlsely Ihat. lin told that Mr. Gamey was going to sup - Mr. Passmore of The Telegram on port them. That was the converts- Monday that he got 11,300 out of tion as near as I can remember; three, matter0. Q. -And did you see at any time inv.entigatlun. ler. Juhnrton read that he took the copy of that inter- the letters, Y follows: inter- view down with him to the Walker Tyra M. Latera. 1I^use? it -Well, to the afternoon "11th February•1:.103 he told me he had an interview. 11. rosin, bet. the wet umbrella sada , said i have an tntervi -w written o,t "Capt John Sullivan, Walker MMouee, him dnereMim,e. legmanita tis end he Toronto, Ont.d Mooed over t0 the for The Glide', auA he said some got up an tank about he wonted to make Rome " Ihear Sir, -1 have your letter of {Mann but was taboreeytltd by Ga- rurnrtinne In it. That wa. ar 1 the 10th instant. The wood that is knew about it. I didn't see it, but wanted must be 70 per cent. aprucr, he told me that 1 25 per cent. poplar, and 5 per cent. te - Ansi then he got down to the balsam. I do not see any reason Walker Bowie and he did notreturn why wood that ha. lawn cut a eou- - A -I don't know where he went. Plc of )'rats would nest do 1 weal' Q-ile went out of the Buildings like also to fi1d out whether we ran al all events for some hours? A.- get a supply near North Bay, so Yes. 1 that it could be shipped on the Q. -And he returned with it? A-' Grand Trunk, as they give a good Day. that Mr. Gamey lead the convcrsa- tlon and inlreehs•ed the swhterte_ tie (tel IRO( inmw anieme rico wee in the t. Johaetnn-Q.-And dei yvu at- tack *tt stytaitreaco to the at all? A -i 41.1. i thenught' - Tae l'hencellor'-The conversation wen ell user then. Mr. Johnston -No, my Lord, not quite. Q. -Was the conversation all over at that time? A -Well, there was a talo to Thorold from North ay few remarks after that. • (1 -And apparently did give et? A. Yours truly. lie bald he was with Gamey only -Well. ye. sir. "II. II. ('nlller." twice at Mr. Stratton's office, once ti - What time would have elapsed The Chancellor -What has that to in September and once at The betw.s•n the time that he informed dO w'1th 4.0, Globe interview. Gamey referred to oI about this typewritten Inter- Mr. Jdhttstonj think it 11 hit- this on the day before the opening, 'view and the time that It wain qiv- portant as ft elbow, rho corre. fon- and said those were the only deice earse A -It was half -past two that I delise Chet feat. q'M.n M Fehro- 'aw him the first time, and It was itr7 lith Oh* fotto.,rfng letter is writs NIx or after six when he gave the in- frit tib Mr. 4trrtxry` t.•rview. '1'Ob'barryy 11th, Infra. - ...__-.... _ - . e'aA C,*wtety',]yrinwse phwP.r W Werk le Da. Q. -Why had you remained there NO fill a ie41,* w#N:h will t4r4w. 1h se4f rillew los, 1►cewveA trveltt t#ea IteA OP), were together. Q. -Now, coining to the question of the letter, that 1s of the type- writing. Was there anything said at that interview about 9100,000? A. - Yee, sir. lets, that dny? A. -I had work t0 Q -What was said? A. -Well, she anti besides I had pronnlprd Mr. hew, we *1. o.45 °weight of that that was towards the latter part of Gsmey, when he left me nt 2,30, wood yew snake about cwt the the conversation; I was the author- L�J -J .n- wrote and ..1.e.I hie. ity for that statement in this wily - that 1 would wait there for him. It he would *crept wood which had i Mr. Gainey had told me how much t M Gamey that Mr.Stratton we could make out of it In his way let us kaon, the lowest posaiblo Q. -Did you on that day telephone ke+w cwt a couple os rent... Kindly n r. e W011111 ser him at 2.15? A. -Yes. s` n going into the scheme, and I Q. -From where di,' you telephone? weirrail or boat, or do you said, "Just stick to whet you have tk1ak Itt would be better to buy the done. Just stick to the Government A --Phe Pith Ie Works 24p.rttrwwt, stuff where it 1e --figure the thing out hn theme schemes of ours and we can Parliament Buildtnge. and see the way we can made the make 1100,000." Q. -At What hour Wes it that Mr. most money out of it. Stratton *eked yeti' th 0004 That tete "Yours faithfully, Qt- What was said at the time you Mr. parted that night after the inter - nohow.? A -1 dl"'n't speehli Mr -Frank J. SAllfvan, tirrntlnn et e11 M� /nerd -fled' didn't "Walker Iiou se." tell me to tend the} teltfAtettt . "10 Linden street." Q -Yoe u►aY von of i'04't *'tt Mea- sem• Other Dim'.. -that he was going to stick to what Mod sent a trlePhntM *Riot liar. 'the Noble letter about fishing 11- he had done, support the Govcrn- Stretton weMlld are Mtn et 41.17.? X. cense. was on the let of February. meat. ---T didn't way that at Pll. I thea Sullivan also testified that in the (A. You thought from what he said ebe'' lh, ter (e7rent• th,e ked m' r4+hrr autumn alio, during the wood fnm- that he had given up his intention aha n(ght 1.•Mre ver 14rai rtte'trtvit Inc, he had interviewed Mayor llow- of exploding, and he was going to when 1 ..w Mva to te4040Mn ",,,,,,,,,,,,,M.1. land as to bringing wood from Man- support the Government; that was Cirettnnb e,fhrve &ltd *1511 eel ltoulin. Gamey was to have been In the impression ho convrvori to you? Mar elan/1+wl 10.9014 l.,e (a, wed 1 with him nn that deal. A. -Well, hr didn't make me think tr 1'.hrvnc4 IAwt lerer'.,II 1 atvttra t sere He denied that there was any idea there wan going to be any expio- a .1 i ihlwk that MY. »a3 rt wooers- of deception on his part in twice then. I thought he had told those •A the 'pkewut. I registering letters it Yorkville In the things to somebody, and he was go - then waw no particular street, put That matte 10 now Pending in I Q limos MA yrlu AaA not Mr. fictitloue name of '•A. It. Crossln." ing to go and say they were not so. nn the Ga matter or anything Slrptt vw wool' he Iia at 2 15? A. Gamey the courts," remarked Mr. John- -Whoever sn•werrtl the 'phone told tits. Johnston -Q. -Now, he ,syn ate. stist,en /Limn Nothing. going to that there were some written agree- Q, -Did Mr. Stratton know about supe, only Mr. (pantry wan g g *ton. Me Mr Stratton would be there bo - menta between you -1s that true? A. any communications or correspon- eupPnrt (ham. I Offeree Fly* TMeuad' .www 2 and 2 30• ' -No, sin Iden you were having with Mr. at the (loge Sullivan told an- Q, -And you telephoned down to (2 -The whole the was verbal, ng Gel? A. --No, sir. id he know anything aliout r .i ' thin wee verbal. reposed deals that were going should put it? A. -We got to one I i^owe on the g,a Story .. Ak•e1..iy ere•. ' I 1 h ('hears le,r-You referral o the ex a are in the Moue, Garnet' _• ermcnta which were destroyed-- lion e,tro ed- on? A. --No, sir. portion of It where 1, an it warn, p^' i need aearcely ask you the agreements y 1 Q. -Wan he or any other member eased, him; that was In the par- .,aw "1 youm to this thtng now, and question In closing that all have there le no doubt about that. of the (government consulted In any plan where he had agreed tip In the 1 want to hack me up. I will I q a you?Jr Johnston (to witna.,n)-You Parliament. buildinlre to "'ay Myers fete :''•000• If you will back up the told me to of course absolutely true? way with reference to lhean lnstruc- understand what I mean? A. -Yee. tions, rho letters or the deals? A. - took the money from Stratton, and story I told In the Parliament bullet- A. -Yew, absolutely true. The Chancellor -''he agreement was No, sir. Mr. Johnston cross -examinee, slew in the piano factory? A. -Well, Mr. Gama 1n r cd metobelieve v that Y ,c c o wt he had given up the Intention he had Sullivan angrily. q. -But you had opportunities? A. -I had no opportunities in cnnnec- 'tion with the Government.' 1 told you I had my contracts. Q.-Dut you had opportunities in connection with the departutent which you were giving to us yester- day -the lakes and tie 1{shring? A. - ,Well, anybody around the Parliament Q. -You did say that? A -Yea 1 Just Q. -Than did you proceed to ends,- y MT. Gamey to that effect? A -I tel- ler t^ carry out that scheme by glv'- other star of s rnnvrrxnthe which Whatever took place? A. -The whole ( Ing him his lemon in the way ho (:emey had with him nt the Walker plphonetl to the Walker House. g the h ~atonias following 1 , t Chase took the money to the amok- furl , he ro died he would ing-room-- t Sullivan any"; l N• have nothing In do with him. Gam- I • Proposal t• Ohre Y..n Math. Q. -Bid you say, and what dide'y pereiated on severe' subsequent you days and eels' he told hie solicitor mean by It, that 1f Mr. Stratton that he (Sullivan) never got any- mnnny hero and tell him it was only thing. MrPh rson woo'.' arrange to I aer'Irit)? A -I did not say that- iv Mr McPherson, and ,old that (het if Mr. Stratton kicks we will Rive him back that money; I pool- Mr. McPherson would arrange to pay lively ewer that was not Mild. him 92,000 to hack uSo limn Bald him Ma - Q -What Was said that wan so like In"y db etatetnent. It? A --Previous to that Mr. Gamey that no one Waft present who could Reid he had been given funds to car- overhear Ode conversation, es both ry this thing out. he thought took good care net to 1» in the hearing of anyone. Q. -Just tell m, at what part of �* court then adjourned. the thinknont he that took plan A. Sullivan and Gamey Face Each Other. -i on the way up 1 I Q -I am •eking you the converge- Toronto, April 9S Frank :quill - dalin the piano factory? A. -Thio Aid not oeeur In the piano factory . Yam'. nvidroce was comelut.d yest.•ry I think 1t occurred on the way up day, and It was an absolute denial the "'tees. of Mr. Gamey'x whole story, so far Q. -Then we will drop that. Will y It concerned the object for which yell any that to the piano factory the commiesion was appointed. The yen did not say if Mr. Steal tem Hatnment that Mr. Stratton had kick' yon will glace him that. money given them In September f3,M1(1, hark and tell him 1t was only *pour- which they divided, he characterised Ify1 A. -Ne. 1 did not say that.. as •'e lie." Mr. Gamey was in the r) - Ware then any statement mad* front. mw, faring him, and fellow. hy 'nu which might he rnnfue d hY Ong timely every word, hut Mr. Hub- ei -err friends, to give that meaning lime pet the hos 0x cool and a tet- te It? A.- Only this --Mr. asl•.y 'artful al when he entered. S,,lll"en • 1.fd; "Well, if i �'t tarry out tale denied ahanlulnly that Mr. Serotina kirks that you would give him that otme mentioned pertienlnr deal 111th the PSOPiI Whoa lI {o otbW Illlnlater knew of anv In reply to quemtlone Sullivan maid his salary in the hullding. was 92 a day. Ile never received another cent from the Government at any time, "nor from any nemler of the ?House, not even 11th. Gamey. Mr. aame•,v told him on the 7th or 10th of Aug - let that he Was going to ,nppnrt the (gnvernment becalm. hie ennetlt- uenr•y was in a new country which ne de"' Government acaistanee, and, bemtrles, he had Mean supported by Liberals its ((:eery ) said he enp- voaed that if he 'lupported the Gov- ernment he would get. the patronage end Wiens-, paid he thought he would. Q.- Who was the tired man that .poke In reference to drsle--that in, ennreislnne and other matters of that kind from the Government? A. - Mr. Gamey and I spoke or that. Q.-1 suppose It occurred to both of you? A. -Yes. Q. -Yon knew the Government WAS pretty close? A. --Yea. Q.- And with Mr. (Ganey sepport- Ing them new territory- mine -nig and timber and Po on --it nerarr,•d In both of you that something might he made? A -Yee; 1 may have sug- gested it, or Mr. Gamey. Qawer'a 'parr • r•,uh•nA. q,-14ew h. says that there was a that 91(.000 ahmtld be paid in Sep- Q, -It. was a matter entirely be - tem ser and 92.000 more nt the .ween you and Mr. Camey? A. -Its` close of the first Pension -there was twren Mr. Gamey and myself. nothing like that? A. -No alt. Q. -Then it Is not the fact that Mr. •lohneton-Q.-You didn't di' that you had shown lllr. Stratton •troy any agreement? A. -No sir. :letters or any Iettra or any totter The (heaeellor-Q -Was there any from 11r. Gainey? A. -No sir; I did agreement in writing? A. -Except not show him any letters Pure Drugs... 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Our prices are never higher than -'they should be, and our prompt delivery sys- tem is perfect. 11 'e Mand you back your money if dissatisfied?' bulldlags Who kept their eyes and ears open Could find these things Out. Q - the way you say you ac- cwalon write on the typewriter, Said stated that you wrote enclosing a cheque for the payment of what - I did not catch it. A. -It was 122. Q. -Payment on what? A. -My in- surance. Q. -What was the date of that? A. -That was along in August. Q. -On what bank was the cheque? A. -I do not think I put any cheque -I enclosed cash. Q. -Wily end you say cheque? A. - I am sure it was cash. Q. -Are you so sure? A. -I made a slip th�•re, I stand corrected on that. (L -I did not see there was any slip? A -You can prove that by the lltanef.i turers' Lite. Q. -On what hunk was it? A -it might have been • Yost -office order or the money. Q. -You said it was a cheque? A. - I won't discuss that with you at all, I may have said it ens is cheque. I will look that up myself. there was no cheque in connection with it. This ended Mr. i4ullivan's evldence, and there was a general movement to the door. Chief Justice Falcon - bridge suggested that all who want - rd to go out should go at once Mr. Gamey'a interest also apparently wand, for he withdrew from the room. Mr. Prank Ford Called. Mr. Frank ford, ICC., solicitor to the Treasury, and formerly private secretary to the Attorney -General, Was than called. lie admitted hav- ing written on the typewriter the enclosure sent to- Mer, Gamey with the 'XYZ" letter in February. There was a lady stenographer who did the typewriting. In answer to Mr. Blake's question as to why he did not get her to do this tyla•writing, he stated that Sul- livan, whose Deme at that time he did not know, came to him late one afternoon and asked him to copy on the typewriter an article to lead pen- cil. Ford demurred and said he was not typewriting now. Sullivan wee urgent, and said he wanted it to catch the mail. Ilia own stenograph- er being busy, he took it himself to the Attorney -General's Department Y and copied 1t out. After hs had fin - idled it the matter struck him• as aingiilar, and he 'inked Sullivan what it meant. The latter tolyl him 1t Was for use at the coining conven- tion In Manitoulin. "If 1 had known previunsly the purpose of it I'd have refused to do 1t," said Mr. Ford. Q. -Didn't It occur to you as be- ing 'linguini- that a clerk to a de- partment should be entrusted with the preparation of a political docu- ment such as that? A. -It did, sir. Q. -Ile wan, ns a matter of fact, doing political work that had no Connection whatever with the poel- tiop he fill'? A. -it looked like It. Mr. Johnston objects that Mr. Rltchle is not entitled 'to put a wit - nets In the box and suggest things, which, to hie mind at any rate, are damaging to Mr. Stratton or any- body else. Mr. Rltchle states that Mr. Ford is a harrixtr and he due's not need to put words in his mouth. Mr. Riddell state. that. Mr. Ford is not bang tried as a barrister, to which Mr. Ritchie replies that. he has got the knowledge of a barris- ter. • those Inters there wan nothing. Q-1 supponc If you had you knew enough --- NEVER OOT ANY MONEY 1 The Chancellor -1 do not know that you can ask that. Frew R R. Gamey. Moe. J. R. titrationMr. Johnston --it Is not my wit- neaa, my Lord. •• A■y w•wDer of tk• n 'w••t' The Chancellor -But he is not very 1Nr. .lohneton--Q-And you hay as averse to you. a fart that you never got any .non- Itr. Johnhtor.-e1.-i id you know cy from Ihtx man at n11? A. -ho, I without telling me what you knew netu•r got. a c,•nt prom nim. did 7011 J naw want ertect the know - Q. -From kir. Stratton? A. --Nes- ledge of these lettere between you er. and Gamey would have If they were known to the Minlstere? The Chnnceltor-You cannot tell how rash Minister would art, each might act differently, and ha "'nee not know as Crouch about. the, Minis- ter, as he intimates in his letters. He cannot tell the working of their minds a Mr. loathed friend melt- ed him the question alter reading him letters. The Chancellor (lo witness) -De you know anything •heat any other Migletrers gf the Crows kaowta. Q. -From bfr. Gamey? A. -Never. Q, -From air. Myers? A. --Never. Q. -From Mr. Chane? A. -Never. Q. --Dia Myer* brlag any money to Chane that you 1 new of? A --No .Ir Q. -Did ('hn.r bring any money er parcel to the emnking-room? A -Not that. 1 know of Q - Was ehern any money brnu ht, to the on that nccasinn duet of? A --Not to my was not there with kJ A. -II he was there packega or smoking room Gamey .peaks recollect ion ---1 m. you were sot What t7• ('.pled. He Alan testified that some day. previously he had copied on the mama typewriter the draft of The (:lobe interview. ile had been asked to do so by ilon. Mr. Stratton, whom he met by chance as he (Mr. Stratton) Wall coming out of the Premier's room. Mr. Stratton asked him to do it as • favor bxcs'Isn his awn etenngrapher was busy. Natur- ally, he had connected the two Inci- dente. Ile also said that he typewrote the letter signed by Gamey (to the Pre- mier In October, announcing his sup- port of the Government. ile met. Mr. 1 Stratton near the Premier's depart- ment. Mr. Stratton showed him a typewritten draft and asked him to make a copy, as his secretary was out. The Sullivan enclosure, The Globe interview and the Gamey let- ter were all written on the same ma- chine, the only rine he had, in the Alt nrney-Genera1'4 Depart ment. 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