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HomeMy WebLinkAboutThe Signal, 1902-11-27, Page 1k of Boots and been chosen with y to how cheap but to how good sible money. 11 grades, at pootear of awu'e Leather Leggings, preyed fastenings. 'a Rubber. we have a win - ht pricer. thing in our isfied Ask fur particulars. ING, Front Shoe Store. - tturtlays at Ow LMORAL op CAFE =p'1 DFORD BLOCK.I� enw ly discharged, badly wound - arm. tt! tIt tt! � s .a noun we:dy lbw Mt,, Lru ar. buying furs. ds an entrance uy furs. You e is made from Furs of a poor ever give satis- nship are right them to care - -�v 7 1 they are the -- s▪ e to do can y les are cor- a her, as excrp- e money, each 1 5.00 --we ck, even fur, 6 sable Gila, $'5.00 lossy fur, very length, trim- -- y toils, extra $ 8.50 -` --eat , natural fur, -se , each #7.50 -moi ge size, thick, i iy tail., each$10.00 No, 1 quality, est� a, each $11.00 i a Sable Ruffs, --_ -11-0 , busty tails, --wor *15.00 gth, complete claws, thick --ses , each $16.50 i ►pe, even curl, $ nee) Ruffs, natural ed with 4 ex- tails each 25.00 -4111, y large, long ue Mt* road -.e ener, each ...12d.110 -ad gooda Rood quaiit.y. --'� ails, e4eli , .. *t';.so --rii e collar, long head. end 8 120.00 1 quality, nut- , 4 large tails, $25.00 re consider the r and you will had them made h gooti quality able to sell a �h. select from. a THREE "A'8" AOv'T8 Ana ACTIVE AGENTS WHEN YLAGat IN THE SIGNAL I ist Zhe FIFTY-FIFTH YEAR. -2910 inaL tmalt THe LE. DINGF ND W18P„t . OF HURON OOITNTY. ELECTRIC PAILWAY MEETING ABU ADDRESS BY GEO. E. WALLER, MANAGER OF THE 11. G. & B. ELECTRIC R. R. The Story of a Successful Electric Railroad A Road Through Huron, Bruce and Grey Would ' be Equally Successful. The public meeting hell at pose, but ran these cars only two the court bailee on Monday even- ing for the discussion of' the pro• peel of the Huron, Bruce and Urey Electric Railway Company ave. fairly well attended, The years when it -became necessary to run them down to a certain point and turu their because they would not ac- cowmolate the people that we hal to carry. We then in 1895 made con- nectiou with the C. P. It , which I am i;pet•ch of George E Waller, man- informed you are seeking to (10 here. agar of the Hamilton, Grimsby It In 1895 we carried 25 carloads of Heamarille Electric Railway, -t- el. merchandise, fruit, etc, traffic lingwhat that railway hail -Juno has sa-that during the elev- en months of this year, front the Id. of January to the present time, we have carried 604 carloads of merchandise, something we never anticipated That tahlishment of a similar institution Le' C.P.Ii freight can, loaded with herr, Mr. H'ailer's remarks were from 20,000 to a0,000 lbs. Of course _-- rmn;;le corroborated byWilliam we have the standard gauge, which you ie oplo are having here, which you Sutherland. a resident of the sex. tion through which the 11., 0. £c R. runs, who happened to be in town mei was glad to testify as to his , experiences with the electric rail- way. It. S. Williams, president of the Board of Trade, waw moved to the chair. 1). McGillicuddy made the ex- planation tlict when this poodle meeting was called it was decided that the prurience of some expert should be secured who could give relialae testimony ae to the work- ing of an electric railway, and he - wan pleased to say that they had with there the manager of the Hamilton f;rimsby & B eam+vilie _,Electric Railway, Mr. Waller -a yatng ratan. but one who under - stool the hosanna from beginning to end. Mr McGillicuddy. then renal fritu a letter of Mr. 1t'allace of the Inger-soil and 1Vooslstock E!'ctric Railway, as follows: 1 ria that you will 1, able to con - toe the po p a of eaters -h that it wi 1 my privence ' l a gave you =3,000 he• • "That their nue est to materially awes to help build the road. is very w relu•ay. 1 have no doubt that it whit true," I said, "and we appreciated it." be of great idvarhtage to the town. but I then :eked Mr. Lee: "If the railway the ovens ought to reabee that el tor.. !e were going to move away for tate community which it serves, gage an inkling of the benefits which will accrue to the people of this town and county from the es - are bound to have according to statute. We have carried this year 601 car - India of merchandise over that road. We have gives the petpte of Grimsby, Stony Creek and Beamsville a C.P.R. connection, something they have been looking for for many years. We have given them an express service with Mr McOILLICI'DDY-How does the • f)ominton Expreaa Company, it affect the larger places 1 Are they making every house an express office. doing as much business kr Hamilton We carry an express messenger . n av when you started ! these cars from Hamilton to Beams- Mr. WALLER-- I spoke of that vide and they can brake the same time before. We carried 151,000 people to as the O.T.R. Ther eau have their the city of Hamiiton and on an aver. fruit ready at 5:3o Friday night and age they would spend 13 each in the it Will arrive at Mons real at 8 o'clock city, that would make over $450,000 the next wonting. ,People acid: Well left in the city of Hamilton -cash, re - if you can afford to build the road you member : that is not credit business. can afford to build it without our help. When we started to build our road Very true, but we had not the money. we built amen comfortable cars to *t.• - The city of Hauitltom gave us 125,000 rummodate the people. Today we We did not give them the privilege of have had to tear these can to pieces taking stock we simply asked them and, in fact, the fast year I have used for $25,000 iu cold cad] We might them for fruit cars. We could not as well have -had $50,000. We got use them any more for passengers $3,000 from Stony Creek a village of they were not nearly large. enough 300 inhabitant•. Mr. Lee, a member These carts would carry from twenty. of P.rli,meMt, said the other d ty in tine to thirty people, The cars we have replaced theist with carry from fifty to mixer people. When we start- ed we had one car for carrying freight, today we have five. We had some where in the neighborhood of 1,200 residences along the line, today we have 1,3.50, en increase of 150 along the line of twenty•threo asides. Prop- erty has advanced in value, as 1 ex- plainett before. I will give you one examt-Ie of this, where a man who wanted $2.000 for his property now wants e3,000: .1 great many people that is going over the line when we started out thought we could at the present time. We are built our line for $6,000 per mile, but drawing coal to Hamilton, Grins- i tell you, gentlemen, a line cannot be Vity and Stony Creek, where's built for lees than $13,000 per mile, heretofore they had to drew their .coat that ta, including everything, of a Wile pts and and • quarter from the course. But $13,000 x wile is the Greed Trunk. Now we have given least that any company can build a line for. Mr. MIe01 i,L11't' DDY-Ourengi- neer estimated $ 1,000 per mile, but I think that is exclusive of power. Mr. WALLER-,My figures, of facilititss . w develop our power from course, include the power. Our pow - a little powe house at Stony Creek. er-house, which has a capacity of 300 We have a lit,Rle reservoir up the h. p., coat us 11110,000, but if you' mountain which \ oontahns from 100,- contemplate budding,80 to 160 miles it 00 to 200,000 barrels of water, but will certainly coat you $13 000 per the town of Goderich has facilities mile. We used to get one mail per worth thousands and thtwsande of dol- are, now we get four return mails Ian running past it: Why not between Hamilton and Grimsby, and ure them 1 People down our road need there was no trouble getting that to ask the same questions you are ask- mail, either. They came to us and ing row. They will, "Yen frill never said, "The stage -drivers charge us so bribe the C. P. K. can down here.'' much for carrying one mail per day; We have done it. We have given can you do any better for use We them competition with the (rand considered the matter and came to the Trunk. Along this road, before 'the couclu+ion we could carry • the mails electric railway wan built, there was a {bur times a day for the same money, population of 8,000. We cau now and we naturally got it. It certainly (oast of a population of 15,000, an in- is a great convenience to the people of ornate of 7,000 in eight years. For Grimsby. The brand Trurtk ltailway- property that could be fought at that used to stop once a day to take their that time for about $300 per acre express. Today they stop four times owners are asking 51,000 per acre per day. Why? Because theH.,G.bB. ow. One person is asking $1,500 an is taking their trade. Competition is re for land that he offered to veil a the life of trade. If you can get yolk ago for 5700 per acre. When competitiotlt in this line it certainly aekc4� the question why he wanted will assist bpderich. 1 never went Sl,: he he said, 'tThe eTeetrio ungtsy into a Sown t) 'chair more facilities ie coming in." than has the town of Goderich. It Mr. C 'dERON--Does your road has thousands and thousands ot dol- atT Yi a -, styd h' w many passengers does it lays in water power running past, cek enough eudesert "' o i r carry awaa eg to waste. and _.these_ .enter - our road without bonding it at (l0,- Mr. WALLER-It certainly pays. prising people are here ready to take 000 f:er mile. You have the bonding rt his harried til. a yfetr 300,000 pas- it ep. When our line was projec . t rhv'. p ilcge of $15,000 a mile, a Iran- sengers. 150,00�,of these have been they sod to us that running our ears chin that you will never get again. brought into the city of Hamilton. I along the country roads the horses We went to work with the same op- went before the city council of Hamil would get frightened. We have over - position, presumably, that you have ton to ask to get our rad changed in come that. The horses very soon at the prettent time. There were cer- the city. Ono of the members of the become used to seeing the cars and Iain parties who thought that if we council, sitting alongside of me said pay no attention to them. We -have remit afford to build the road wo that 150,000 would leeve o an aver- never had an accident or a Isw suit .hnuld stand all the Pxpenee. But we age $3 each in the city ; that ould be over a frightened horse, in my exper- k'eut to the city n( Hamilton and $4:10,000 ; and he said any r that ienee. asked for $25,000 bonus. We were was bringing *450,000 into th city Mr. CAMERON.. What about not. giy,ne them the same chance that of Hamilton should in hie opi 'on the snow these people are giving you, to take have anything they want. Over 3 - Mr. WALLER-i don't think sleek in it; we simply asked them 004) p:aseengers, over 600 cars of that we have stoppers one day In the for " $25.000 honus. Then we nierchaniltse. We have telephone fast seven yearn on a^.count of snow. a.keii f3tony Creek, which has a pope--onnection along the line which as- We have certainly a complete equip- lation of 3 ;0, for a bonus of $3,00 I. silt* people in getting in things they 'neut. We hese each one ot our can Wn got the $25,000 from Hamilton ; wish from the city. We take it down egaped with a snow plow, and if the we got the 13,000 from Ston Creek, in our ears and deliver it at their snow Is very heavy a snow plow goes. 'i22H•0t0) in a 11. We huilt. our road, doors, out before the other oars, It is sen• eighteen miles from the clay of Ramat- Mr. C.1M EIt()N=What dividond seldom that we have to lay up for inn to the village of Grimsby, which Iio you Isay .' snow. The first year we had about a'n't its on the averages 113,000 a "Id* Mr. WALLER-We `mid the first /940,000 worth of business; our of that that is edluipprng, power end all ; we three years 5 per cent_ dividend and *39,000 was for passengers and $1,000 tint, (rne right of wa We sera then provided a oinking fund. Then we for freight. Now we have 564,000 for Ville, tato with tha ililages of Reams- found that over and above the 5 per peasengers and *14,000 for freight,. 'ills, 4ton Creek Wisooa and the rent. disidend and the sinking fund, We have proven to the people that we cilia a y g of hartoe were At that time we were Mlle to increase the stook, giv can handle the C.P.R. freight oars they thought we only going tq ing each sharehnldet 33A per cent. of over the eleotrlc railway. We handle arty a few pxsaen{era W5 built the disk he abnady had, nod on !Itis sand, coal, woad, haled hay , in fact, little comfortable ears for this pur-- additional 33+ per cent, we have paid everythitag. We give the people be. GODERICH, ONFARIO., CANADA : EMBER 21, 1902 - 5 per coot dividend. We were asked the question "If this is going to be such a great lowing institution why riot build it yourselves!" We answered them thus : "We are perfectly willing to pay our way, but under the'present CII' 'ween Hamilton and Beamsville the same privileges that they have in any city. I dou't know that 1 can ex plain scything more to you, but - I shall be pleated to answer any quee- \tions that you may with to ask. ( Loud i applause.) t.ucactauoes we are net able. " By the way," said Mr. Waller, " 11 JOHN GRIFFIN, u. well-known sew one of our greatest opponents it � resident of Ashfield, was the next Griutsby when we were constructing our line, Mr. Sutherland, cowing its the door. He Inds a large fruit farts along our road and he thought tie electric railway would kill' the vil- hagea. I will ask him to say a few words to you as to the advantage. he those in the north intereeted, b derives from the road, what business my business takes ine quite f quently to the southern pert of t coubty,and the people there of ask toe: " What are the people there about Goderich doing abo tIiis electric railway ? We ,thi it about time they were moving the matter and pushing it alon The whole Bounty and, iu fact, goof! -doh more territory as wail are interested,_ and 1 hope to see succeed. Now, it would be rath unreasonable to ask the ditfere municipalities for assistance to th road if the town, of Goderich itse which certainly will derive tl most benefit from it, would n give any help. We had a vote las July in Ashtieltl for the purpose o taking stock to the extent of $50 000. The bylaw would undoub edly have carried were it not th the people of Lucknow used a their influence in order to defea the scheme. The Lucknow peopl were certainly working for the own interests ; they don t want see the trado corse to Goderich You are all well aware that ther is not a town in the Province o Ontario today that has the nature advantages that Ooderich has, end when you consider the immens strides that Manitoba and th Northwest are making, to . sa nothing .trout Ontario, you can s that the centre of population moving very fast toward the Wes as it di -I in the United States, are it is only a question of a ver short time when you must expec some very considerable towns an cities on this eastern shore of Lak Huron. Why should Goderich no be one of them ' Why should i not be the most itnportant one (Hear, hear.) This Erin, if it had the electric eailway, would become a town of 15,000 or 20,000 inhabit- ants, and every new manufacturing enterprise has a tendency to draw others. Now, there is not a man can show any reason why Goderich should not be a better town for manufacturing purposes than the city of Hamilton, where this great American enterprise, the Deering Harvester Company, is putting up works capable of ,employing 900 men. Goderich is 150 miles near- er the point to which their product has to -be shipper?. Although we were defeated, by a very small ma- iority, ire Ashfield, I can assure you, if that vote comes up again, it will carry in Ashfield, and also in the municipalities in the south, for they are certainly as much, if not more interested in this electric rail- way than we are. All I need say in eonelueion is this : I hope you people here will do your duty next riday, as we intend to do in our part of the county on getting ano- ther opportunity, where we were knocked out the brat time by a ama11 majority. tAppplause. i WM. SUTHERLAND, who, be- sides being the owner of a large fruit farts at Grimsby, is a well- known commercial traveller with whom many of our business men are acquainted, wax invited by the chairman to address the meeting. He said: I can assure you, gentle- men, that this is a different termi- nation to what I expected this day would have. I met my friend, Mr. Waller, on the train and he told me that he was coming up here to make his maiden speech, so I thought I write,' cotne along and hear what he had to say. With re- gard to my experience with elec- tric roads I s tete agree with Mr. Wailer w'�ien he said -IFiaiTwas repo* posed to the buildingof the Ham- ilton and Beamsville road, I thought that by putting the road dovin there I was going to be throw into the ditch. We didn't want it down there in the first place; we lculated that our mer- chants won be killed out by it. I had a nepheve in business down there and, beinj -Scotch and clan- nish, I had to look after hum ; I didn't want to see him ruined. The people I had been defog business with in Grimsby and Winona, all these merchants were vety mach opposed to the electric road going through down'there. I certainly am now a convert to the electric railroad; so touch so that about three years ago 1 moved in elnng- sirie of it. I didn't go on my own place; that was a mile farther away; I wanted to get as close to the railway as I could. The place i am on now belonged to my fath- er-in-law, and when they talked about taking a little piece off the front of his place, he told them if they would go to the back he speaker. He said : The people in the northern part of this county from which I come, are certainly most interested in the building of the electric railway. Not only are ut re - he ten up ut nk in is er nt is If, ne ot f t- at 1) t e it to e e e y see is West is done between Hamilton and 0: one - by, and why he has become converted from a strong opponent to ari ardent supporter of our road." • Continuing, Mr. Waller said : We %Pre told by the storekeepers that it would kill the villages to have the road. I have proven that not to be the case. ' I went to one storek.•eper in Grimsby whousedto salt,ttat bud - Meal would all go to the cities, and tie says he is doing tiaice the business in the village of Grimsby that he was doing before. Why1 Because his rent is cheaper than in the city of Hamilton, he can get stock laid downi just as cheap as in the city of Hamil- ton, and he sells twice as much stuff, because is family can some to Grimsby from any point and carry home what stuff they want, whereas they would not come if it were not for the elec tris railway. nitlwsr+ .a,inot he leant without a'arge �p _c_tiwattatt st atenelLawd the omrpusa, , and they wanted *4,000 atom to keep sent, 1 think should se • tr way i, -4-- -;'i tPm n're-wuuluj -ou.. be- -witting- to 'ihwra 1v with the ram ay onion nr. pay the extra taxes to keep them .. ur rail here ,. in r workably here'He said, "Ye., I certainly salt awl h a .urtw,sol air Ito a iu this . „•v with the a,uount that h, urriaing would:" The merchandise we carry sal 1 velour., 1 , say that the people includes many things that we never would not he with el the ro.tt niow e,e . thought we would get: sand, wood, . iE Limy had tuaaaist, t wale extant., after ....mug what it ova in the way cd bank- COSI, and things of that kind; all me peep!, Imo • k. ei v. "Yours truly. r:. t'ALL.A•-a." Referring again to Mr. Waller Sir. McGillicuddy said that the road which h r f cp h e represented had been constructed. eght years ago under exceptional difficulties, but thew: C. P. It. connection. 1 would was paying well, and the -directors Daly like to come up here and take DDre now extending their line and .dvantstge of the thousands of dollars •ing for the extension out of the worth ot, power that is floating down ear Ings of the rout. The speaker this Wier. Because we have no such expl 'sed that the Huron, Bruce & (trey 'ompany was no close cor- peratio but anvbdsly could come -in-on t same, terms as the pro - motet,. Th it ilea in inaugurating the scheme, -hid) they lad done at considerab expense to them- selves, was to et the town out of the lethargy into which it had Gillen. He invited the asking of tluestions upon any points in re- gard to which inforuiation was ile- sircd. The cheirman, after eApres..ing his own hearty approval of the Unmpany's proposal and hiin desire that there should be a thruug dis- cusi•eu of the scheme, intros! d Mr. \\'alter. Mr, WALLER said: In I893weap- plied) to the Government for a charter, which was granted, hut not. such a charter es I believe you have et the _ present -tastes:- We �--a-.ttesoding right of $10,000 per mile; I tinder stand you are getting $15,000 per mite. $10,000 a mile will not buila retie/ fortunately, however we Y t d e t would give them a piece of land, but to get as far away from the hou'te as they could; but he regret- ted afterwards that he hadn't it in about a rod closer to the house. My little girl can leave her hu me, tive miles from the city, at 8:30 in the morning, be there in plenty of time for school, and be horse at 4:30 again, and Mr Waller, for that little ride, charges just 5c a day. I was glad he said tonight that the little cars they first put on were found -to be too small and had to be replaced by much larger and better ones. We cannot find•any fault with it now, only when we get five miles from the city they do not guarantee to furnish you with a seat, and if you want to go into the city on Sunday night, to church, it will pay you to go five mites out and then back in order to s seat in again. I don't think any business man along the line could now do without it. We would not have them take it away for. anything; we cannot do with- out it; it would be just like a busi- ness man without his telephone; it is almost indispensable. 1 would, therefore, advise you to turn out and vote for the electric railroad. (Loud applause.) WM.' PRIUDFOOT, K. C., be ing called upon said : I have con- sidered the question of railroads, and Goderich having better accom- modation, for many years. I don't think there can be any question about it that so far as the town is concerned any kind of road leading into the town will be of great benefit and of service to the town. As I understand it, the idea is to run this road from here out toAm- berley-that takes us to the most northerly extremity of the town- ship of Ashfield. -and another out to . Dungannon, and another. when they get that to work, out to Au- burn, and I believe after that when they find that the read is a paying concern, and from \what these gentlemen have etat.ed I should ,judge there is not v much doubt about it, they Wil) bring an- other one in from the southern por- tion of the county. For a great many years it has been a very great drawback to this town that it has not had C. P. R. connection.` Everyone knows how this town has been treated- by the Grand Trunk Railway Cont any ; and that this road will pay I hove not the slight- est doubt. We have only to go out to Wingham for the pur pose of tapping the C. P. R., twen- ty-three miles, but, I suppose for the purpose of reaching there by an electric railway it would be a matter of thirty miles. What we want is connection with the C. P. R. If we have that connection and it is brought about by the electric railway, it will do us just as much good as if we had the C. P. R run- ning in here. We have not the connection with the northern part of the county that we should have, nor have our friends of that por- tion of the county the connection they should have with the county town. For example, there is Brus- sels and that part of the county, they cannot come to Goderich by the railroad as it at present exists without coming around by Strat• ford and up to Goderich. If they have to come to the county town to attend to certain business, whether it is legal business or not, and every member of the county council has to coane, they have either to drive out to Seaforth,if they live in the neighborhood of Brussels, or come around by Strat- ford. If we hat•c an electric road -running through that part of the county, I am speaking now particu- larly when you get a road of this kind started, the county town will be )better served by an electric road than !t _possibly could by a steam road. Yon -hear a great many people say there are only four or five men at the head of this con- cern, why should we help them ? Whir should we say Mary' these men are public-epitited en- ough to bring forward this scheme, and have confidence and enterprise enough to carry it through, that we aro not going to help them. You overlook the fact that in help- ing them, if you are helping them, you are helping yourselves, because if Goderich is going to be anything more than it is at the present time it is only by getting better railway facilities, I think if these gentle- men succeod in giving ns what we want, and we all want the railroad, itis only fair and reasonable that they should be benefited. They cannot snake very much out of it, because it is ajointstock company; every dollar that is spent will have to he accounted for. The gentle- men who composes the provleional board of directors now will not be the whole hoard after , the road is in operation, in fact, every munici- pality that gives a bonne will have the right to have a director on that hoard; they cannot personally benefit to any very great extent by being there. I think they should D. M°G1LLICUDDY, EDITOR. benefit to a certain extent, the should be remunerated for the services, but I want to make clear to you that these men are going to be made rich. Dont away with the idea that they simply doing it for the purpose making some money out of it. is true they expect to make sot money out of it; I hope they wi and if they do utake something o of it then we are going to ma something out of it as well. A the present time the shipping this town is extending very co siderably. The harbor is rraduall getting into good shape, and a though it is not just what w would like it still the time wi come when we shall be in a pais tion to accept any kind of verse that navigates the -lake. But yo want to bear this in mind, that great deal more work can be don at Goderich harbor than is don there now. They are shipping i more grain at the present tim than one lineof railway can handle and if we have the facilities fo hipping out the grain other eleva tors will be built.. We are goin ahead, and why are we going ahead Simply because the residents of his town have shown enterprise uch as we should show in the town f-Goderich. Not only should we ave this railroad, but we should ave a line of ships running here very year. I think it is the great- est folly that the town of Goderich as tilt a line of boats running up nd down the lakes carrying packet freight, and until that is one we cannot expect very much ore business at the harbor. You ave to consider this, that at the resent time the one elevator we ave is simply blocked up because to Grand Trunk cannot supply ars to carlethe grain away fast hough. SSee eral large vessels ave been refu within the last eek. For ,two r three months t this season ever year there is a omplete blockade\ because the rand Trunk cannot handle what eight wo have here, d if we had connection with the . P. R. ti would be relieved, As under. r, this road of yours, Mt, Wal - r, simply runs between Hamilton nd Grimsby, and it taps illages on the way, and, as nderstand you, the money receiv- 1 Brom the passengers you carried is year was $64,000. and about 14;000.. for freight. The road ns, yo fight say, from Hamil- n to " here", as Grinisby is ot very much of a place. A road ere would have soinething to drawpp ne have sing at comoes in by•water tothe drawom and instead of getting only 4,000 for freight the road running ere would have en opportunity carrying five times that amount. u have now the opportunity seemed to us, and it is our duty go out on the 28th of this nnth and vote for the bylaw. I ncy it will affect me about as nch as any person in town. My xcs amount to something like 25 a year and my increase will proportionately Targe. The roan Ito is assessed for 52,500 will have pay only $1.64 for every 3500 r twenty years, so that, as I said fore, I trust that every one will out.aod._vote for this scheme. I ink ii ikeIeserving of success,and we assist it along we are assist - g ourselves. Mr. Proudfoot, be. re concluding, also spoke strong - in favor of the organ factory by - w. Although at inconvenience himself he would come back Tom Toronto on Friday to vote for th bylaws. MAJOR BECK, who spoke xt, mentioned the conditions of e obtaining n of the charter ter which, ey had been told by some of the embers at Toronto, was one of 6 beat that had ver dress grant - by the Local Legislature. Such charter, they sail, would never granted again. With much dif- -'ettelrber had--beetr-eb-� ined extending, ae it did, (torn e southern boundary 6f 111Itr6R to wen Sound. At the latter point would connect with the Clerguel, e to Sudbury and the Soo, and erybody going from this part of e Province to the Soo or the orthwest would travel by the uron, Bruce and Grey road in- eadtof going around by Toronto he chairman of the Railway Com- ittee hada told them if the road ere built there would be no diffi- Ity in getting the charter amend - so as to reach London. He ped the people of Goderich puld show their public spirit by ting in favor of the bylaw. If e roast should benefit the gentle - en who were promoting it, it ould also benefit the town. (Ap- anse. ) H. 1. STRANG, R.A., said he ad! not intended to speak, lint he d not want to leave any uncer- inty as to his position. He had ith in the future of the town and as willing to pay a Tittle more for ything that would assist in ite y pro'ress. 4 'onstdering the matter i from possibly a selfish standpoint, ft he believed the railway would ben- gt eat the Collegiate Institute by go bringing in more pupils from the are country But he had not been of thinking of it from that stand - It point Be believed there was room ne for expansion in the town, and he 11, hail always thought that Ooderich ut had been poorly served in the rnat- ke ter of railway connections. He t had Lad great faith in the electric of railway ever since riding in the nr Hamilton, Grimsby and Beameville y line. The electric railway would 1- be the railway of the future, as the e developments of recent years had 11 shown, and no one could say i- what further developments might I be in stirs Ho was a supporter u of both bylaws and hoped they a would both carry. e WILLIAM LANE, countyclerk, e also stated that he was in fvor of n supporting the scheme in every e way possible. For twenty-five years or more the people of Gode- ✓ rich had seen the necessity of better - railway facilities. Scarcely in the g Province of Ontario could be found ? a finer agricultural district or bet- ter towns and villages than in the county of Huron, but did it not strike anyone travelling over this county that it is poorly served in the matter of railways ? The gen- tlemen who comprise tha provision- al directorate of the road had gone into the scheme with, he believed, anything but a selfish feeling. They bad gone to trouble and expense in getting the engineer's report, ob- taining the franchises from the municipalities and procuring the charter from the Legislature, and now they placed their scheme be- fore the town and asked for its support. There was no necessity to sayanything as to the benefit which the railway would be to every portion of the countty which it would serve. Considering only a very small increase, one dol- lar an acre, of the value of farm- ing land throughout the county, that would mean an increase in value of $800,000. Now, that was a very low estimate -a dollar an acre - and it did not include any increase in town or village property. The bylaws would not mean much in the way of increased debt; if it increased the value of ro.:rty it would be no debt at all. e e t : id a dividend the turns int of increased assessment wouli be considerably diminished, ane! ev. . t tually it would become a paying i vestment for the town. If tti people of Goderich allowed this chance to go by it might he a great many 'ears before another such opportune was presented. Dr. Ii ULMEA S=a-I think you all 'mow my views about the electric railway, and it does not appear to e me that there is any argument at all on the question as to the bene- fit to be derived by tete town by the building of a road such as is proposed. Mr$Proudfoot has out- lined to you at some length benefits to be derived by the tow_ and I endorse all that he said, and \ I don't think it is necessary for me to go over it again. To my mind there is only one question in con- nection with it, and it is this; If we take $50,000. of stoct in this road, do we get the road? of course, as I said before, there is no doubt - it will benefit and pay the town if we get the rout, but the question conies. if we grant this $50,000 will we get the road.' The gentle- men who are promoting this and spending their money deserve the support and assistance and com- mendation that we can give them. I don't know that they aro going to make a great deal out of it any- way,and if they do succeed and make a little money out of it no one will be more glad of it than myself, but I think they should satisfy the ratepayers on this one point, that this taking of stock in the road is going to give us the road. 13 tate_ stock. _.11,Qpgy to be used, or a part of it, and still not got the rc»u!1- certainly if we get the road, at I said betore, I for one fully believe that it will be money well invested. Mr. MrGILLICUDDY--Pethaps it is just as well that I should say a word in regard to the information that the Doctor has asked for. I happen to know as much about it probably as anybody arid I am pre- pared to make this statement: Last summer Mr. Wilson and my- self went to the city of Toronto and we interviewed a number of capitalists in that city, good men and then whose names mean "Go." We got in touch with such men as A. E. Ames, .t milius Jarvis, Fred- erick Nicholls and other leading financial agents. They looked upon the charter as a first-class proposi- tion, but the concensus of opinion was that the people along the pro- posed route should .show their faith in the project by giving aid, and outside capital would do the rest. Two months ago I met a wall- dteiwwse arraae lib 9 t S 0 h h e h d m h p h tl c e h w a O fr t s le a u ec th $ ttl to h fr th fr $1 h of W pr to m fa m to $1 be w to fo be go th if in fo ly to f bo ne th th m th ed a t. be to th 0 it lin ev th N 11 st T m w cu ell Iio wd vo th m w pl 11 di to fa w an