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The Huron Signal, 1880-10-22, Page 21 THE HURON SIGNAL, F'RWk'Y, OCTOBER 22, 18811. I.I ELI N1EETING. A t3 awe CII t t PV a ,yterisln Oounot coati) ,.os rostrata s slight sola. at Dr. 1 ugp wale the assertuw Di Bans wont melba . " is mid 14.441. )ttuat to eusewJ theist "Let him w,u,t lite- t e.wt.e s.araesawttss .s Tart. Senile- 1 wad tike a tui), surd sit the Chun* plass doubt*, and dun we oaa say whetkei he 1 Pan Preabyterten t;,.anent mei at dull may with os or not." o l unmanly foe a prusabet wlk� a& 1 HAVH BOUGHT THE ARDWARE S b.. ,.puled . t:be tan. IW- weeiM, ---OF— 1 F'ICRME 6,000 oi Ng ION DISCOUNT, 1'. D. ,'ht ladelphla last week and m i still n Attacked thus lutiutul y by two. Amien- .truuu We are unable t.. give the pr, Lana. Dr Flint had need .oi . rt'1'1 VER R EAT ceedings to full. The following front the and b Out Lae Not fnw, SL..tlaad excellent report of Monday's proceedings i Prof- Calderwood sat there, oaltt,uttense, in t New York Stat shows how Cana- but quiet The impulsive Dr. d elegate* are able to hold their own amu t their brethren all over the world. It will be of special interest to our Pres- byterian readers. It says:— The Rev. Dr. A. B. Van Zandt, of New Brunswick, N. J., read a paper on "Creeds." He reviewed the objection usually urged against the acceptance of prescribed formulas of belief, that they disparage the S- riptures and check theo- logical progress, and argued that thew views are based upon a inisapprehension of the use of creeds, which, he said are craned not to create, but to express a be- lief, and which are not made but grow. In considering the differences which ex- ist as to the obligations incurred in sub- scribing to creeds or confessions, the author advised conservatism in the ex- orcise of authority. Prof. Flint's paper on agnosticism caused a little breeze to sweep over the Council. The delegates have had two nights to sleep over this paper and to weigh carefully its utterances. That they did so, the somewhat exciting de- bate of the morning indicates. Perhaps it was well that the hour of adjournment brought a sudden atop to the discussion, for some of these divines were getting greatly excited. The venerable Dr. Armstrong, of Norfolk, said that Prof. Flint had spoken sneeringly of church discipline, and the Rev. Dr. De Witt, of Philadelphia, had characterized soine- thing that the Rev. Principal Grant, of Canada, had said as most vicious. The debate revealed one thing very clearly: That the Scottish and Canadian delegates favor more of free thought and liberality than do the American delegates. The little thorn that had pricked the delegate who opposed Prof. Flint was an assertion of his that the failure to . om- prehend or to believe portions of the Presbyterian dogma was to be overcome not by church discipline so much as by a more faithful study and explanation of dogma. Prof. Flint seemed to intimate that it was ,luite possible that the fetture of theology Wright modify, or at least clarify these troublesome dogma.. Such an assertion, coming from so eminent an authority, was what troubled the strict constructionists, and gave comfort to the liberals. It certainly revealed the fact that there are still some points in that pillar of the faith', the Westntiniste catechism, that some of the clergy are not at all clear about. Prof. Flint. while claiming that 'it tended to the spread of any further light, or that in- vestigation in theology can go no further by inference, at least opened the, way for permitting the doubting Presbyterian to remain inside the fold. That is some- thing that some of the delegates plainly felt would never do. No sooner had the morning papers been read than Dr. Andrews mounted the platform and rained his voice in vig- orous protest against such an utterance, and ne attracted attention to himself atraslgely enough by saying at the outset that Prof. Flint had spoken sneeringly of cftarch discipline. Dr. Andrews wante.l to know how you were going to stop tint propogation of error except through church discipline. .Here the venerabh gentleman waxed hot. "Is it honorabl \' asked he, "Is it honorable for a minister to go on preaching in my denomination who believes in what my church duet not believe, what it in fact abhors 1 Int such a minister go out of the church, find then let hits teach what he pleases." This caused' some confusion. It was getting right dpwn to the marrow of the most vital ques&on that stares clergymen to -day in the face, and which one dele- gate expressed thus: "Shall we, holding commissions to poach from the Presby- terian Church, and not believing in all points precisely, as the accepted interpre- tation of the creed rtquires us to believe stay in the church or go outside of it r' Several delegates rose to reply, but not one Scotchman or Irishman. It seemed to be the feeling among them that as Dr. Flint had been accused of sneering by an American, they would leave it for Americans to defend him. A youthful American divine. Dr. Boggs, got the platform, And while le was more gentle in his use of terns los condemn- ation of Prof. Flints utterances was no lege marked than was that of Dr. Andrews. Dr. Boggs asserted categori- cally—and he faced Prof. Flint stat: lade his assertion sternly—that the great disc. c verses in theology are behind us—not in the future. Theology. he said was allied to.astronomy in this respect, and Le geology When Dr. Rogge made this point blank asaerti.m, the impetuous blood ,of Principal Brant of Canada .caused him t, rise and it seemed u though he was I. speak then and there. Hut h. ,- etratned himself sod malted his ,pportunit/ De Rim, wh• rinks with Alt abler, :heal' e,^" -a hot Wrest bntair Hutton sat with his eyes fixed on the speakers, but he made no mutton as of rising. Dr. Watts sat with bowed head. Principal Cairn showed no disposition of defend- ing his friend. In fact the silence of Scotland wassimpressive. Canada sent a fiery delegate to the theologian's defence, The Rev. Princi- pal Grant hurled back the accusation that Dr. Flint had wasted, "I detected no sneer sir, in Prof. Flint's address. He is not the than to sneer. He has the courage of his opinions, and he will say boldly what he believes without any sneering. What he meant to convey was that if we try to reach doubt by church discipline, instead of by an effort for broader, clearer thought and a deeper search into the truths of theology—if thus we try to roach, doubtless we shall lead the way to agnosticism." Here there was applause, and none applauded louder than did many of the Scotch dele- gates. Principal Grant then made a bold assault. Think of the advance of liberalism when a Scotch Canadian Pres- byterian faces the leaders of this Church from all over the world and says these words: "We do err if we say the West - minister Catechism is beyond the region of inquiry. Creeds grow and how can there be growth unless there is liberty of thought. You say to s minister, if he has doubts about the socurecy of your in- terpretation, 'Go out of the church.' You say no honest man should stay in if he has doubt. Yoe call him dishonest if he does stay in. I say no, no, let the Church cast him out if it wilL" There was more applause, but there were many delegates who heard the vehement pro- tests and utterances. with solemn fseea "Is the church afraid of liberty ?" were Principal Grant's closing words, and he said them in ringing tones whose echo seemed to be heard above the applause they occasioned. Principal Cavan of Toronto, a ,tan of quiet method of speech, told the dele- gates plainly that in his opinion it wee a life or death question with the Presby- terian Church whether you can expect such progress in dogma that you can dib cipline for not accepting it. Thus again from Canada came the intimation of a protest against what Prof. Grant called "illiberality." Then a zealous, fiery young divine, the Rev. Mr. McDonnell of Toronto, mount- ed the platform. He plunged boldly into his subject. He spoke with the rapidity that comes from oveflowing thought. He asked whether it was ex- pedient for the Church always to exer- cise its unquestioned right of disciplining. "The question to -day is, what is the faith ? A young man full of the desire to preach salvation, and believing that he is prepared for it,. is brought up all standing by the creed. He can't make it all out, in the way the, church inter- prets it. What are you going to do with him ? Shall he be forbidden to preach 1 He asks you whether you have any right to impose on him conditions that Christ did not impose. Well, you tell him there are other churches, fifty others that he can go and preach in, but you don't find anything in the New Testa- ment about fifty churches. Only one u spoken of there. Suppose you send such a man over to the Methodists or Congre- gationalists. The first thing you do is to exehange pulpits with him and call him 'beloved brother.' Thus you admit that you restrict as Christ did not re- strict. Now I suggest that you reduce to a few weil-defined articles that are ab- solutely essential your creed, and require your minister to stand by these and hold his own views about the non -essentials." There was more applause when this dar- ing divine had finished. Dr. De Witt of Philadelphia was the last speaker. He said that Prof. Flint had not sneered. He also said that he regarded the assertions made by Princi- pal Grant as most vicious. The chairman's hammer here brought discussion to an end, but the delegates kept it up among themselves, some Of them until the afternoon hour. Lame Htnrr oto BURS.. —" It has been well observed by somebody," says Leigh Hunt, " that Bunts was not so unedu- cated a man aa is supposed. He had books, and some good teaching, and was acquainted, at an early period, with some of the beet writers. 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