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Huron F of A has heated debate on farm tax reform
By Keith Roulston
Despite emotional appeals
that the Huron County
Federation of Agriculture
support the Ontario
Federation’s stand on land
tax reform, members voted
strongly against the O.F.A.
proposal for farm tax
reform’s Thursday night.
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About 50 attended the
meeting in Belgrave, many
saying they had come to the
monthly meeting of the
Federation only because
they had heard a vote would
be taken on the proposal.
They wanted no part of the
O.F.A.’s proposal that food
producing land be tax
exempt and farmers only
pay taxes on their farm
homes and a minimal
acreage around the house.
Speaker after speaker
doubted the government’s
motives in the proposal to
ease the burden on land tax
by paying the taxes for
farmers on all but their
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In supporting the motion
against the policy of O.F.A.
and the proposal of the
provincial government, Jim
McIntosh, director for east
central Huron said that a
large majority of farmers in
Huron are not willing to have
the government pay tax on all
but the farm house. There is
nothing wrong with the
market value assessment
which the province will be
adopting, he said, if all
properties are justly
assessed. As a former clerk
treasurer for Tuckersmith
township, he said, he didn’t
like the farm tax proposal.
He said the O.F.A. should
stick to its original proposal
of people taxes paying for
service to people and
property taxes paying for
services to property.
Debate stopped at this
point when Merle Gunby,
vice-president of the Huron
Federation and director
from north west Huron to
O.F.A. moved a tabling
motion which was defeated.
Mr. Grunby claimed that the
time for opposition to the
O.F.A. policy was earlier .
and that now that the policy
had been accepted by O.F.A.
the county should stand
behind the provincial
decision.
After the tabling motion’s
defeat, Jim Armstrong of
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the government’s proposal
was part of the government’s
cheap food policy. He noted a
meeting of consumer groups
and labour unions some time
ago in which both groups
called for public ownership
of food producing land as a
way of keeping food prices
down,
He wondered what would
happen if he didn’t pay the
taxes on his house for three
years therefore making it
liable for tax sale, Who
would then get the land on
the farm, he wondered. Land
taxes make up only about
one per cent of input costs,
he said, and weren’t that
serious a problem for far
mers.
Maurice Bean, director for
central west Huron defended
the O.F.A. policy. He said
that farmers seemed to be
happy with the 50 percent
rebate on taxes that the
O.F.A. won to offset
education taxes so what was
the fuss over 100 per cent. If
farmers feel so strongly
about paying their share of
taxes, he said, then why did
farmers want exemptions
from sales tax on items they
buy?
George Underwood of
Wingham said that he was
concerned that many of the
O.F.A. directors from across
the province who approved
the policy don’t really know
what’s going on. He said that
at an information meeting
held earlier in Clinton the
O.F.A. executive didn’t seem
to get the message that
farmers didn’t like the
policy. Maybe now they’d
listen, he said.
Ernie Ackert a visiting
member of the Bruce
Federation related the story
number of lakes on
farms in Bruce county
where, during the depression
the owners had asked that
they be releived of paying
taxes on the water portion of
the lake since it was non
productive farmland. Later
these owners discovered that
they had lost ownership of
the lake portions of their
farm on their deeds and that
the lakes were now owned by
the government.
Paul Ross, Clinton lawyer
said that before coming to
Clinton he had worked for a - they had in the past. The
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themselves didn’t seem to
know where they were going
with land tax reform, “Why
take chances with your own
land?” he wondered.
Gordon Hill, past president
of O.F.A. came to the
defence of the O.F.A. policy
saying he believed the
government was sincere in
its proposal. As far back as
1948, he said, the Federation
had been asking for tax
relief. Under a great deal of
stress the government did
come up with the education
tax rebate in 1970, he said.
He said the government’s
task in reform was com
plicated by the pledge of
former agriculture minister
Bill Stewart that any new
taxation system would not be
harder on the farmer than
the old system. With the
education tax rebate and the
fact that the whole tax
assessment could be claimed
as an expense it meant that
farmers were only paying
about 10 per cent of their
assessed taxes, he said.
As for the O.F.A. policy of
people taxes for people
services and land taxes for
land services, he said, the
problem was just what were
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Mr. Hill said that wasn’t without having to be sup
necessary saying the motion ported by Mr. Gunby or any
can simply Ke stated as of the other Huron directors.
itself didn’t need any ser- cheap food policy. The policy
will ye a great incentive to
farmers to buy up more
farms, wipe out the farm
houses to keep down the the
taxes and just work the land,
It will make the countryside
look barren, he argued,
Mr. Gunby then returned
with an emotional speech in
support of the O.F.A. policy,
refusing many of the earlier
arguments against the
policy.
He claimed that a move by
Huron county to oppose an
O.F.A. policy would weaken
the position of O.F.A. and
make it look ridiculous. He
said that the new proposal
wouldn’t mean that farmers
weren’t paying their fair
share of taxes because it
likely wouldn’t mean any
difference in the amount of
tax they paid.
He said that if the
government really did want
to get control of farmland
then it could find much
easier ways than under the
new tax proposals. He
argued that farmers
shouldn’t be against seeking
a better break for them
selves because industry is
always taking government
tax concessions.
Mr. Gunby said that he
hadn’t seen the figures of
what market value
assessment would mean to
tax,, bills in Huron, but in
Halton region it would mean
an increase of four times the
present taxes and farmers
couldn’t afford a bill like
that.
He said the O.F.A. stand
was approved by about 90
per cent of the directors
from across the province at
the March meeting in
Toronto.
A precedural hassle then
arose since the meeting had
run past the 11 p.m. deadline
set by the Federation for
completion of the monthly
meeting. Several people
insisted that a vote be taken
on the motion. Mr. Gunby
tried to block the vote by
moving another motion to
table because he said the
motion was not properly
directed as to who it should
be referred too. This was
shot down.
Finally Gordon Hill
suggested the motion be sent
to the O.F.A. as the policy of
the Huron Federation. The
vote was taken and showed
strongly in favour of the
motion, opposing O.F.A.
policy. Mr. Gunby said he
could not argue in favour of
the motion in Toronto and
vices if there weren’t any
people around.
Without tax reform, he
said, how could Ontario
farmers compete with
farmers in Alberta or New
Brunswick who don’t have to
pay property tax?
He said the new policy for
farm tax reform was a good
one because he thought the
government was going to
raise a lot more money from
land taxes in the future than
said. It could continue to say
it would go along with the old
policy, or it could say
“We’ve tried, but now it’s
time to make a deal.”
Jim Hallahan, R.R. 3 Blyth
termed Mr. Hill’s arguments
“a lot of bull.” He said he
had recently taken part in a
survey of farmers in east
Wawanosh township and
many were irate about the
O.F.A. policy. He said that if
O.F.A. went through with the
policy it would lose half its
membership in Huron
county.
Frank Wall of the O.F.A.
executive was present at the
meeting and said that the
report of the committee
studying land tax reform
recognizes the rights of the
farmer to his land even if he
doesn’t pay taxes on the
land.
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O.F.A. policy said that the
ownership of the land
depends not on who pays the
taxes but on who owns the
deed. But Mr. Ross argued
that just because you have
the deed to property doesn’t
mean you own it.
Another speaker warned
that if the government is
looking ahead with this
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