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Times-Advocate, March 3, 1977 Page 5
1 41 Parents, teachers debate school books
A meeting called. Tuesday night
by a group of parents to debate
the use of some text books
presently on the high school
curriculum, basically ended up in
the form of a debate between a
group of parents and several
teachers from South Huron
District High School.
Most members of the school's
English department were on
hand, along with some senior
students, to defend the use of
books which some parents in the
audience of 55 termed ob-
jectionable,
Ron Heywood acted as
chairman for the program,
saying that some parents were
concerned about the literature at
the high school and also were
concerned about preventing
types of literature found in other
high schools from reaching
SHDHS.
He indicated a concern as well
over the use of foul language in
the hallways and quoted Bishop
E. Carter's concern about sex
education being taught in schools
without any consideration for the
love which should accompany it,
"Community standards have to
be set by ourselves as concerned
parents," he said, adding that
changes can be made if enough
people talk out about the present
standards.
One of the first questions asked
was how books were chosen for
the high school English.course.
Department head Sherwood
Eddy responded by saying that
the books were chosen after
consideration by members of the
staff and often on the recom-
mendation of other teachers.
They were then approved at the
teacher and board level.
He indicated teachers had to
consider what sort of things
students have to confront in
today's society and pointed out
that some of the "fantasy" books
and classics used in the past
didn't prepare students whom he
said were young adults and not
children for handling human
relationships.
Eddy said that while some of
the modern books run into sen-
sative areas and use "realistic"
language, there was a control
factor in the form of the teacher.
"If growth (of the student) is to
occur, the questioning process
must exist," he said, adding that
the school system would be
irresponsible if it did not
challenge students on all
domains.
He said the situation boils down
to one of trust.
Mayor Bruce Shaw, former
head of the English department
and now principal at Seaforth
high school, said the job as head
of the English department is one
of the most difficult. He indicated
a lengthy process was involved in
selecting books for use in the
classroom.
He said one of the basic criteria
was to determine if the book
speaks to the student,
He pointed out that even the
works of Shakespeare were
clouded in the type of language
which some objected to in
modern literature.
In reply to 'a question of
whether the language used in
some books has contributed to the
language of the hallways, teacher
Ozzie Zivkovic said there was no
relationship. "Common language
doesn't come from the books, it
comes from the home,"
He said the female segment of
the school population used
profanity to a greater degree than
the boys and said that the school
is a replica of the society where it
is located.
"If swearing is ordinary, don't
expect them not to swear at
school," he advised, adding that
there was little the school could
do to control the language used
by students in the halls or
classrooms.
It was also pointed out that
discipline is not a problem where
students have respect for their
parents.
He suggested if parents wanted
the school to do anything about
the foul language, they would
have to take their case to the
board and administrators.
Another teacher, Colin Lownes
termed foul language in the
hallways a "non-issue". "I don't
h ear students swear very often,"
he commented.
He said in any group of 1,000 it
was natural to get some who
swear and said that couldn't be
changed, adding that it was
better to confront students in a
classroom situation in a nur-
turing atmosphere.
"We are professionals," he
said, "and we're not out to
corrupt students."
As expected, Catcher in the
Rye, was mentioned as one of the
books questioned by parents, and
while One teacher termed it a
classic in modern literature, one
parent replied it was poor
English, disgusting and
everything in it was degrading.
"We live in a sick society and
have to worry about something
besides dirty words," com-
mented teacher Bill Johnson,
However, a parent answered
that students' emotions were only
starting to develop and urged
that they be given seillething
more morally uplifting,
"You're asking far too much of
our children," she stated.
Rev. Bruce Pierce, Crediton,
said he agreed that part of the
teachers' job was to help children
cope with life, but suggested that
if teachers were going to discuss
moral issues with students some
teachers should be retrained
themselves.
Pierce said that if teachers
were going to teach about moral
standards, the parents should
expect those teachers to have
proper standards themselves.
Teacher Clay Murray said
teachers were not trained to
teach only positive or good
examples, but similar to
Socrates, were trained to present
the contrasts. He explained that
Jesus also taught by the use of
contrasts,
While some negative qualities
are contained in literature,
Murray said they were con-
trasted with many positives.
"Why do the messages have to
be wrapped up in such filth?" one
parent asked,
Teacher Al DeHaan said the
function of a teacher is to nurture
and guide and suggested they
should not indulge in teaching
values, but stick to dispensing
facts.
He said the primary job of
teaching children is that of the
parents, and indicated if parents'
groups can cooperate with the
school it would be beneficial, but
said it may be better to go even
one step further and work
towards an educational system
whereby grants follow the child.
His reference was to the
establishment of parental schools
such as those operated by the
Christian Reformed Church in
Clinton,
The local teacher said later in
the meeting the government does
not provide assistance to parents
who choose to send their children
to schools of this nature.
Bill, Johnson re-entered the
discussion to point out to the
parents that the Bible also
contains references to incest,
masturbation, etc., as do some of
the books that were considered
undesirable by the parents.
County to buy
Goderich coins
The Property Committee of
Huron County Council has been
authorized by council to purchase
a set of the Town of Goderich
commemorative coins marking
that community's 150 an-
niversary celebrations.
The nickel, silver and gold coin
set is costing the county $286.69
and is to be displayed at the
Huron County Museum.
In other business at Thursday's
council meeting, the County
agreed to amend its budget to
allow for a grant of $16,000 to the
Goderich Airport Committee.
The grant, requested by the
committee, is to aid in the
operation of the Goderich Air-
port. The same grant was made
in 1976.
A committee recommendation
that $9,332 (plus provincial sales
tax) be spent on purchase of a
sorter to improve the efficiency
of the County printing room was
also approved.
Don Jolly replied that modern
books •glamorize evil, while the
Bible teaches what happens to
those who practice evil,
Margaret McClure opined that
the school could choose books
where points are made very real
for students but without the use of
dirty words.
Teacher Bruce Eccles
suggested people may be
deceiving themselves in
suggesting the school system has
such a great influence on
students. He said the media has
more influence than education,
and the words and scenes shown
on TV present "an entirely new
ball game" over which people are
concerned.
He said that in watching
SHDHS students board buses for
home, about three-quarters of
them didn't have any books with
them.
Bruce Shaw warned parents
against sheltering children from
the temptations and demands of
the world. In restricting what
they read, see and hear, he said
parents were trying to keep them
as innocent babes in a world of
decadence and corruption, and
secondly, were having "serious
doubts in ourselves as parents
and friends who have had these
innocents under our care for
almost 16 years".
He went on to say that as a
parent he absolutely rejected the
possibility that he could be a
failure as a father. If his children
failed the tests life presents them
"they do so knowing the dif-
ference between right and
wrong",
"As a teacher of English, I see
too often 'concerned citizens'
attempting to project their
morality, their standards of right
and wrong on the community,"
the Mayor continued. "They take
quotations out of context and
damn a book; they see nudity and
condemn art; they hear profanity
and reject life,"
He said every book must be
valued for its literary merit or
discarded for its worthlessness.
"Just as we do not necessarily
condemn an individual solely
because he swears, I find it
difficult to imagine that anyone
would burn a book solely because
of its occasional use of 'colorful'
vocabulary."
In evaluating books, Shaw said
two questions had to be an-
swered: (1) should schools lead
or reflect society? (2) do we have
enough faith and confidence in
our English teachers to let them
teach intelligently books that,
although perhaps controversial,
are of literary worth?
Pointing out the countless
pressures at work, he suggested
that maturity was the ability to
deal with those forces and the
function of the school and English
classes is to help the student
know what those influences
might be and how those
characters in great and con-
temporary fiction have dealt with
them.
"Examine the books being
taught, read them, discuss them,
offer opinions, but do not throw
them to the fire on hearsay
evidence and isolated,
meaningless phrases quoted
from them," he concluded.
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Exeter Public School principal
Jim Chapman, who said he had
two teenagers at the high school,
urged parents not to sell the
students or the system short.
"Use the home atmosphere to
teach, them values," he
suggested, after pointing out that
today's students are much more
capable to discuss, converse and
debate than he ever could with
his parents.
Sherwood Eddy suggested that
the students were "ready" for
the books being used in the school
and it would be wrong "to back
off and play nice, safe games".
He said his major respon-
sibility was to answer the needs
of the students and urged parents
not to prevent him from attaining
that goal. If you do, he said, it will
be to the detriment of the
students,
Pointing to several students in
attendance at the meeting, he
said they had read the books
being questioned "and none of
them are perverts or
delinquents".
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