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ZURICH.
At the end of Bay township
Porelitatiee meeting, Friday,
most of two hours and a half
were devoted to a.free-foreall
on the central school issue.
Reeve John. II.. Corbett in a
short, vigorous speech wrapped
it Up.
"I believe I was criticized
as much as anybody, right out
in the papers, too, I would
like the school board here to-
day to understand I am not
against consolidated schools,
but I am against the site of the
school.
"The people of Hay, as far
as they are concerned, voted
against the school in Zurich.
The inspector (G. J. Burrows)
has said here it will cost more
to build a new school., but what
is going to happen in the future
with education if we have to
expand this school, tearing down
the old? We do not know what
the future will bring. When they
built here before, they did not
know what was going to happen.
They say a mistake was made,
Are we going to make another?
"If we could get together
with the board of education and
municipal board and get some-
thing final we would have a
chance, but why in the world do
we want to go ahead and spend
$80,000 or more on this school
if it is not going to be the right
thing to do? I would suggest
that we by some means find out
what we are doing.
"We have had applications
from three schools in different
parts of the township to with-
draw from the school area, It
was said they cannot. It hap-
pened in Tuckersmith. We are
over a barrel in the council,
too. I have nothing against the
people of Zurich in any shape
or form, but I would like to
have the right thing done. Why
can't we build a school out in
the country, not too far from
Zurich, a school we could ex-
pand, and everybody pay for it
and go to school together? I
would like to see a school built
that is going to be a success,
one we can pay for and look
atter, and have in years to come,
and if we have to expand there
will be room to do so." (Ap-
plause)
The incorporated village of
Zurich is in the school area,
and in the recent vote on cen-
tralized facilities the burghers
were able by a narrow margin
to decide the result.
Inspector Burrows mentioned
that he had flown over the dis-
trict looking down on the
schools, and "the distances are
nothing."
He said of the local situation:
"The school population is de-
creasing, and in the next few
years you will find it levelling
off below the 300 mark, It
probably will be somewhere
around 285. Should the addition
be made, three rooms or seven,
there would be room for ad-
ditional children.
"There is an excellent pos-
sibility the number of boards
will be reduced, and we will
look for larger school areas
and school area bou nd aries may
coincide with township boun-
daries and you would eliminate
the single school section. or
they may divide a county :nto
districts that is another al-
ternative."
"Ideally," the inspector said
late r after answering many
questions, "I would like to see
you do what they are doing in
Usborne, build an entirely new
School, but I would like to see
the majority of the people in
favor. I am not so sure the
people would 'buy' the cost in-
volved."
The inspector asked those
who were In favor of spending
$180,000 for a new central
school, as opposed to the $80,-
000 debenture for the addition.
No one stood,
Speakers at the nomination,
in addition to the 11 proposed
for council and school board,
included. Carl Oestreicher, El-
mer leowe, Oscar Greb, South
Thank
You
To those who supported in a at
the polls in Usborne. I express
my sincere appreciation and
thanks.
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er than they are going. to be
under the present scheme, Your
rate here is, very low, Probably
unrealistically so, If you are
paying nine, and theY10 Pr 15 Ar
20, and yOti add something, YOtt
can only go higher. The inentent
you participate with another
school board you accept what-
ever responsibilities, finarteial
or otherwise, that they incur
front that Point on. That is why
it is not a good plan for the
people Of TUPkersinith, from
the standpoint of finance °My,
to consider going in."
The fire marshal, he report-
ed, has accepted the Plan sug, gested by the architect, stibject
to changes in the fire alarm
system and Possibly some In
the heating and the fire doors,
and "if he has accepted the
plans prepared, the building
is reasonably substantial,"
Mr. Burrows added: "I think
there will be modifications, but
you and I won't be around when
that school comes down, A new
structure would be more ex-
pensive initially,.
oi think both your cotincil and
trustees have done a wonderful
job for you, and you have been
getting 100 cents on the dollar
for the time they put in — and
that includes the gentleman
chairing this meeting," (Mr.
Brokenshire).
Mr. McAllister thanked the
inspector and added: "I have
received more information this
afternoon than listening to peo-
ple talking here and there."
Oscar Greb, Hay representa-
tive on HSDHS board, predicted
that "before long you will be
hearing of a building program
either in Clinton or Exeter."
The gathering complied with
a suggestion of Clerk Broken-
shire, that eout of respect to
the loss of our neighboring
country's President we should
rise for a minute's silence."
Reeve Corbett congratulated
Mr. Brokenshire upon his ef-
ficient chairmanship.
picture, and the tax rate that
wi1.441PiV y," cboard, after having re-
teived permission quite legiti-
.inately from your ?Melt, has
gone ahead and had what yve call
preliminary sketches encle tett-
.dtetpiaent e vert4lepproVeclOePaaliose
d by the
n. which l
represent. At present thenrcni—
tea is working on more com-
plete plans, which he will return
soon, and these will be examined
and ultimately passed back to
pthrepv4idepAartmhaetntp;sfioniet, fiaap
construc-
tion begin,
"There have been many loud
expressions In the newspapers
of this town and Exeter., and I
SUppOSe others, of opposition,
and this is a healthy thing. I do
not respect anyone who suggests.
an alternative idea and cannot
back it up. Up to this point, as
Mr. McAllieter has said, there
have been situations in the area
surrounding Hensall; the town-
ship of Tuckersmith and us-
borne and Hay were mentioned,
It is a very% simple thing for
someone to say something and
pass it over without too much
thought, but I question if the
possibilities of increased cost
have been considered. I did write to the chairman Of TUCI.;:,
ersmith board suggesting they
had better look, closely at costs,
oAll indications are that an
addition can be erected to Hen-
sail school but your cost as
participants will go up immea-
surably over your present nine
mills something over 20, and
that is just an estimate. If you
remain in this area and add to
your Zurich schogl, there is.
an excellent chance your per-
centage of the grant from the
department of education will
rise; how much we are not pre-
pared to say. We don't call the
final shot; it is for the auditors
to decide.
"I have said nothing about
building a school in the middle
of the township, which perhaps
lion,
N notice In the township pr
Tuckersmith, school board and
council have expressed willing-
ness to let three sections from
Tuckersinith go to liensall.This
means a third alternative pos-
sible — of a School built at the
east Side of Hay, toward the
west side of Tuckersmith, to
accommodate perhaps three
sections from Hay, perhaps
three from Tuckersmith, per-
haps one from Usborne. That
would mean two schoolsinHen-
sail, This is only an alternative;
perhaps wholly unacceptable to
these municipalities and the
department, However, if such
a thing is possible and desired
by the people, I would be pre-
pared to support. I would like
to work as quickly as possible
for the central school for Hay
township and a settlement ac-
ceptable to most people."
from the Standpoint- of trans-
portation might be a better deal,
but no one has as Yet proved
this to ine.
"I have taken the opportunity
to fly over the township And
look at each school, and dis-
tance is not a factor, If there
is anyone who would like to
stand and say construction of
a larger school is not going to
benefit your children, he should
do so now. (Ng one did), Zurich
is a participaet in the township
school area. Whether you like
the people in Zurich is not my
concern; I am concerned only
in dealing with better education
for the children."
"It is pot a matter of liking
the people," tie was assured
from the audience.
"I just assumed from the dis-
cussion a few moments ago
there were personalities in-
volved," the inspector explain-
ed.
A member of the audience
said something about the rights
of ratepayers being taken away,
"The village of Zurich par-
ticipates," said the inspector.
"They pay their way in the
township school area, and as a
paying participant, whether they
have 500 voters or one, does not
make any difference. They have
as much right to vote. As a re-
sult, it seemed the town people
were swaying the vote, which
may be true, but as participants
in the township school area the
majority of voters eligible to
vote On a township school area
question passed it."
A questioner: (The council of
Zurich does not have to approve
the debentures?"
The inspector: "Mr.Broken-
shire is attempting to frame a
bylaw which will go to your
council. Municipalities in an
area may decide to pay their
share of the debentures se-
parately.
The inspector: "The costs of
building an addition in Hensall,
to you, would probably be high-
CHILDREN'S WELFARE
Inspector Burrows said he
was certain councillors and
trustees were sincere in ac-
cepting their responeibilities
and trying to do their best.
"Whether you decide to build
a school in Zurich or Hensall
or the middle of Hay swamp,"
he said, "I am concerned only
with the better provision of edu-
cation for your children. Many
people," he said, referring to
several in the audience, ohave
suggested there are alternative
ideas to that now proposed by
your board. This is no doubt
true. Many people have said, as
representing opposition to the
present scheme, that money Is
no object, but I venture to say
there is no man here who is not
concerned with the financial
mises are concerned, Zurich is
pert of the township."
Leonard Lovell; "I would
work toward the end for which
the farm people have expressed
their wishes."
Ian McAllister: "The easiest
thing on earth is to be against
something, and I have fallen
into that category for several
years in which I had little in-
terest in local affairs. Now
have a small family of girls who
will soon be attending school.
My wife and I are sold 'on the
value of education. Our rural
boys and girls are having to
make their living in towns and
cities, and finding the eorepeti-
tion difficult,
"I support central schools in
every way. I do not believe the
issue is for or againet central
schools, Most of us are aware
of conditions in our one-room
schools, once adequate but be-
coming dilapidated. For these
reasons I put some thought
into it, and while I do not have
one definite plan which I support
completely, I will be willing to
listen to people and hear argu-
ments for and against the fol-
lowing systems: "(1) A school
built in a different location to
the present one. That would be
within the township and close
to Zurich.
"(2) Allowing the section to
attend school in the nearest
town or village or municipality,
which would allow those sec-
tions not in favor of attending
this school in Zurich as now
located to find their way else-
where.
,•There are two 'ifs' — if ac-
ceptable to the municipalities to
which they wish to go, and sec-
ondly the department of educe-
parietal report we are still oper-
ating on nine Mills," he said,
"and our neighboring township
and Hensall are operating on 20,
We cannot all live in the centre
of the township. Our bank bal-
ance from last year Was $21,-
000, this year 519,000, so
feel we are operating to the
best of our ability."
Carl Oestreicher, h a vi ng
served one year on the board,
had "Changed his tune," He
said: "It is a bigger job than
I expected, and the decisions
made concerning consolidation,
knowing what I found out, are
to my mind a step in the right
direction, To part with any
system causes pain, but that
does not say it is a bad thing.
With changing times we need
the best education for our child-
ren. It is going to cost money,
but not as much as you would
think, unless we really want
to spend a lot of money. Cer-
tain things are in the way of a
central school, be it here or
somewhere else,
Elmer Rowe "would like to
see this situation settled once
and for all; there has been too
much bickering."
"It is time we provided what
others are getting," he said.
"As to splitting on the town-
ship, I do not think it is a good
think. Figure what it costs to
build a school in Zurich awl out
in the township, and if you go
towards Hensall you are only
going to give more to Hensall
than Zurich."
"Is there room in Zurich?
What are they going to build
on?" a member of the audience
demanded, and was told "the
playground used at present."
"How many acres have they
got? Haven't you to have 107"
"No; if you have anew school
you have to have five, but you
can have anything at the present
time if the department passes
it." '
"Give Zurich the old school
for a dollar," another suggest-
ed.
"They don't want it," he was
told, "As far as school pre-
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Reporting for the Aesauble
conservation authority, Mr,
Soldan said that owing to "se
much red tape" the money was
not available to provide for the
dam of which he had spoken a
year ago. Estimated costis$1,-
162,000, "We expect in the
spring we will get a start,"
Mr, Soldan said, "and get the
most of it up, I imagine."
Ray Fisher, school board
chairman; "To my way of think-
ing, there are three things free
— health, happiness and con-
tentment, but in Hay we find
not one, because there are too
many bellyachers. Your school
board in the past has taken one
stand only: it was for the child-
ren and not for the parents. Last
summer we were confronted by
some sections to turn to con-
solidation. We went to council
and were turned down.
"If you want a bust-up you will
have to have a bust-up as be-
oweee Zurich and township
council. Some want to get out of
Hay and into another. I don't
know whether it is feasible.
'GIn 19 years I have been in
the school board we have noth-
ing to shield or hide, but all
for the interests of the child-
ren, and I don't want to stand
up here and make a big issue
of this thing. There should have
been more interest in the school
a long time ago,"
Clifford Pepper said the
board had "tried to suit every-
body, to work in the interests
of the children, and also in the
interest of our pockets."
Leonard Erb found some dis-
satisfaction at both ends of the
township.
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Burrows, and flay township
clerk-treasurer H. W. Bro-
kenshire, who was voted into
the chair when the meeting
started. He called first upon
present Members of council and
board.
"Reeve Corbett in a brief
review of the year's business
said he expected the road rate
would be down.
Deputy Reeve Delbert Gei-
ger reported upon v a r 10 u $
county matters, including the
road program, changes planned
at Huronview, the museum, and
proposed eligibility of nursing
homes for provincial contri-
bution to assist them in re-
lieving general hospitals of
chronic patients.
"We have bad one or two re-
ports of rabies recently in our
township," he said, "and I would
urge that if you see a cat or dog
or any wild life acting suspic-
iously you report it right away.
We have a case now that has to
do with a hor s e with every
symptom of rabies. It was put at
a farmer's home for winter keep
and so the children would have
a horse to ride. A week ago
something happened and the
horse is dead. Dr. MacLennan
advised analysis, and if it does
turn out to be rabies, this
family of four or five children
has been going out to the field
catching this horse, and in brid-
ling a horse you get in contact
with the mouth. The doctor did
not stress they should take
shots, and we are waiting for the
report.
"We held off from a bridge
contract this year because our
money was gone. The cost of
these structures is shocking.
Engineers tell us bridges should
be built for 20 years, and if you
try to cut down the dimensions
you won't get subsidy."
"One thing that increases
taxes," said Lloyd Hendrick,
completing a first year on coun-
cil, els the snow situation and
the cost of keeping the roads
open. After seeing the banks in
the centre of the township last
winter, it makes you wonder
whether a snow blower in the
forepart of the snow, would have
possibilities, We want our roads
open in winter, and if so we have
to pay for it. We cannot look for
any lower taxes, I would say."
"Gravel put on the roads this
year was double that of last,
and that is one reason taxes are
high," said Councillor Joseph
Hoffman. "Everybody is looking
for increased wages, andI often
wonder where it is going to
end:"
Councillor John Tinney
thought it funny that one rate-
payer saw council as super-
fluous, because "the roads su-
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roads, and the clerk the books."
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have a complaint department,
and this year we really found it
out. Before I got into council I
was one of the most critical
ratepayers. I will never be so
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