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west I.S.t0tb 1•wre►o wen .f *else *al 41 Perth L:00, both is Steele( meet,; to seaatiee--•e(1 the reepeeelWrrp mealtime seisms treaties end t.tensatte al ar[wmewte
*..s if it reeeie.d the Real serest, it uremia the Clergy o1 the United $,sed Pre.byta friers that, meghl to met es tale his d -M emit eel be teesbd ualsns i.01en/
w awn ad ••d. sell •aurid set be Mimed. ii11 rias ‘441113 13 0, •ad to the Weslyeat these pwesws; sad .o be wee desist. of 411 ,Mlew le Me alone padres wed for
►efweed thea .mak • ban ...W wet per 'h Methodists, £691 1 1. I..•Ine to be divided passe -me he wee Mdreoe of setas e.0- fated her beam, or Ifthe Ream Cetholtes
Hear: he eh..ld M obl,(.d to yea amuses iad
.et t between the Churches of E.gland SedmM
- Ie.t.eareag all Meanies, tons of Cease did •et at' tet what they owed le these Ce-
`hCtrl,sad be .es eon it wtswd Here. rvetsi•e land £'6,011 I I 5. two thirds of which to 1M.e, be was amines to make each • .M• hgle.s. bolds to whom they owed se moth.
the Church of E.gtand assented Is L/5 - tt*arent as would (tea setefeslio.s ttir.ttgh Yr. Yel OVN6LL meal that the/mote'
the real dim hems goe.rnmr.t. He .he.ld 014 7 I. of which £6,381 10 I hoe been soot oat the length a.d breadth of the land. and Estate' hal bees takes surer.
. new meek .l the alone .f the Choroh of E.g. to indtedual ministers 1.r., and the bales.ri he would sok Hue. Gentle • ea from &leters Mr. Pap:eeau rwo,.s.d-The Jesuits 1.4
lee/ so the whet. Massa epos toy it, e...ti- 'o the Some., for the peoperotion o1 tet Canada to asset him in establio''.eg peace boa driven free France, tool so he nolo,'
- toomeel act 60 'b 81ai111enaasu o/ a 1.'00101101 Go.pel in feastsn parts: the ons -third of the to wooers Canada, .s4 to help hien a. I ed they would have been doses from Cana
da had tt belonged to Frame. It was troy
that is France their endowments would
have bees given to other religious Mahe" :
et was rawrr.J for the latitude of Cased'
t„ use tb* storeys devoted to religion to
build berratkr for soldier.. 1t had bees said
that the restoration of their rights to the
Seminary of No.treaI was an act .f goad-
.eand police. It was not es: it was AO
aroad-
sters't of 'peony sad •p.l•tioe, which the
gentlemen of the Seminars, had submitted
to, as the passenger robbed on the htghws,
resists sat the strong an4 armed rubber. -
The Seminaries were not like the church
of Engtantl m Upperus (omoan*mesda.se Waal thhad prne..ding from the lands sold mace it sae year. woe be wool,' Calf the Room that ae
I, area dose reefor eir passed is only £4.000 -only oar -half of far as hie experience went. melees the, moo
one-seecnih of the lands mf the which 'mild he appropriated to the support mood the poop/. tbs7 were is, earewlr and
Clergy. They ebiu►.d therm Movie, that
emecti waw ..ta'.I4.bid In 1.glawd. sod h.!d
therefor* the sults ride to them. The Church of
ecn,laad wen the int to di.pe.e t•, and to as•
siert the.' right as a ehareh eatahlub.J in one
pars of the '..pin. sod ,be clergy of nth.r de-
aem ae,iena ton made ,heir claim., a1,hm.gh not
ea•►1,ehe.l. u bias or rhe Protestant 6nth.-
11• heel often Meath' that if throw who managed
the affairs of the Cherrb .f England abets t1 .
µwoe.a was fir.t "ss.:e4, looked back thr.agh
the rota of rem.* nose by, they most bitten, re -
)
11.1 :hey had sot compounded for nee -half
.f these lan<!., t,. bs dt.po.ed of u they pleased.
the r:r
of
all Go
, them Hat of r
.l
, has I,reJ h m
sod V M•
* tore changes e in affect them. It wei.h them
I
as wi,h oilier Luoery torn -they h.1 .moped at
all and were .ow about to lose a!I. The eonni•
*miens! set vet apart one Or .fall lite leads
he y.d is tipper Canada f •r the ate open
• of t1. clergy. and he would new prneee 110 show
the reagnitede nl rho property thn• devotel.
• The whole number of erne wl apart wa.7.395.-
687. Of thew., there had keen 1011 anter the
Ac: 7 and 8 George IV , 530.913, and under 3
•a4 4 V.etaia. 568,510; 1,099.453 /oldl. and
1,296,234 remei.ing sr.dlspesed of Ths laud.
were sold for the large .um of £720,756.
Mr. SHERWOOD (Tomato). All sural•
I teed up by the Crown Lands office; they charg-
ed 40 per rent for eelleetinn.
Mr. PRiCE paid that since the present go'•
Penmen' cute into power. they heel ogle
,harped 6 per cent for collection. but ills sum
.1 £723.756 was over and above all expenses. -
Of thin mosso, up to the 31st December, 1849.
£373.889. 4. 4d. had been raid, leaving roil!
doe £346,656154 I Id. With the interest on
this ■mnont when rnllre'ed, they would haro
from the lands already wild. • mll,en pounds;
end salon all the lenta were disposed of, the em-
ceed, would probahly amount to the large sum
of tura militant.. iion. gentlemen would see
that this walla suhject of great magnitude, and
that it was not to be wondered at that the peo-
ple had :glen it op with .o much 'pint. !fiber
looked at the population..of Canada ip moo
they would find tt.st a •ery small propnrtinn of
the immolation were intended to he benefited by
illi. I.rg• sum. Out of the 723.000 peopl •, the
Chorch of F,ngland had 171.751. and the Church
el Scotland 67.900. making • tool of 239,641,
aid those two churches were in get the lion''
share, leaving comparatively little to the 482,781
which remained. Of these there were two
'lonelier, each of whom got • small tom -the
Roman Co'holieo $700 a -year for their popula-
tion 0( 123,707, and :he Weeleyans alto a misera-
ble pittance for their 90,363: but allowing thea
as provided for. there were still 269,611 who
were utterly eseladed from all pertieipatino in
the proreede. The tom of £2,000.000 when
tealaed would at atx p•r sant give 1000 clergy-
men £120 per annum, and they would have the
Church of Scotland amounted to £3.007 making it plans le every maw, that he lives
S 10. Under the am" swots by the 411. .not owlet' a truly paternal Government', that
911. V tc. the pr.c.ed• lar 1843 wets £6,1106 knows neater .bout hie religiose creed
5 4, of which the Church of Kurland n- enquire. not Into his r.lgtou• opintoos, end
emoted £1,268 15 I, the Church of Seethed cans not abet thea, but afford• how that
£1134 7 7, end the Roman Catholic Church care acid protection to which he is retitled,
£570 6 1 1, le.,tog a Wave unappropriated aid only asks in return that he shall live 10
of,O3,032 3,032 I5 9. Here was Lord 8vtleebam's pcaco with his fellow men, .d that 1st
up nion on the .objet':-" The Clergy Ro- should dr -al with them so he would expect
serves have been, and arm•, the great over- that they should deal with hot. Ile w..uW
whelming grievance--ihe root of •tt the not trespass any homer on the time of
trouhles of the Provieee, the calms o1 the the 11uuse, .ad would therefore movie the
rebelli n -'he failing watchword et adoption of hoe reeolntions. reserving to
the hustings -1"• perpetual agree of du -
curd, strife, and hatred. Not a man of any
„arty but has told me that the grows.' boon
which would be conferred on the country
vould be that thnv should be swept tofu
the Atlantis, and that nobody obould get
them; for after Al there to 1..tle to dt•tJe-
there will be n tlhing, after deducting the
charger., for the next ten or twelve years;
out the Jdfrulty lay in the settlement."-
Itwen. evident that Lord
Sydenham
whoa
tie wrote t1t•, had no idea of the immense
•'xteot t f the endowment, the people al .11
events thought ,t no small metier. 11e did
n •t think it .seams, for bun to go neer
all the decbarettoas of opinion by the Par -
lament of Canada, in favour of the devotion
of those lands either egoal'y to all denomi-
nations in the prostace, to general purpose.,
.► to edue.tion. On every oeeastoD on
which ,t came un, similar reoolutione bel
htmael( the right of reply to any objections
,Wade.
that might bo
Mr. PAPINEAU had seldom witnessed
so much trickery end m u in the
course of the Government os the present
occasion. They allotted one of their num
her to come before the !loose proclaiming
that the public peace was in danger, and
that then( was no other subject of such meg
uitnde to engage their attention, and while
making such
arow■Is t Mr
stand
watt*
as a
government, no the one hand making favor
with the people by the individual member,
and on the other keeper well with the es,
dimities 10 Downing Street. The gneetion
had always hoes considered of much impnr-
tame by the peoples of Upper Canada, sad
large majorities of their Pula tient bad de-
rided in favor of the mods of settl••ment at
present proposed. One of the members of
t14. Government bad spoken of the vole
Seen come to. Set -torts of Committees an* given by a member nppoaed to them. Why
uotnted on the *Oleo, taking the same hod he not "pokes of the votes of those 00
'11111W, he might road, but he did not with his own side/ Why wee there a deficiency
to trespass loo long. It was not uoly
^arliaments comtosed of a majority of
Liberals who did go. but those containing
• large preponderance of Tortes. llo wish-
ed that to be borne in mind, that it wen no
natty question in those days; the thong*
was a located by men of all pettier; among
them, Mr.Sampose, a strong Conser,atrre,
now dead. bad moved a revolution, and Mr.
Rykert, Thee member for Lireoln, was one
of the etroegevt apperters of the same
proposition. Up to the time of Lord Sy-
denham, this was the view of •imost.inery
body, but through his influence a change
was worked, and many who had formerly
been for giving the lands to general prirpu-
re., were now in favour of allowing the
Home Government to settle the mati•r.-
Ile (Mr. Price] well remembered standing
at the bar of that House, and imploring
Members of that House not to place the
contrnul of the matter nut of their own
hands, to saddle the people of Canada with
a state church for many years to come;
they voted for it however, notwithstanding,
and the bill wee rent home. It was sen:
back, however, with the following despatch
from Lord John Roswell: -t' The last of the
reserved Bills of the late Session has refe-
rence to the long controverted .•ihjoct of
the Clergy R To thin Bill the
Royal As•ent could not have lawfully been
given, until it had been laid 30 days before
either house of Parliament. it was not
until the 15th August that 1 received from
the Lieut. Governor the document oeces-
ssry to enable me to fulfil the regutsitioo of
r`nnstitution 1 A f 79 It. w
iherrfnre impossit a that the sill show
be finally enacted by the Queen in Council
until after the commencement of the Puls-
m.ntary Session of 1540. But had this
difficulty not arisen, there were other mo-
tives which would have effectually prevent-
ed the acceptance of this measure by Her
Majesty. Parliament delegated to the lo-
cal Legt.lalure the right of appropriating
the Clergy Reserves, and the effect of the
Hol! le to r.-tran.(er this duty from the
local Leg'.latnre to Parliament, with a par.
ticular restriction. 1 am edvi.ed by 03
law officers of the Crown that this to en
unconstitutional proceeding. It is eertaio-
ly unusual and inconvenient. Her Maje.ty
each. a tax of 7t' Riper head. This would be
the rietiert rsdowment in the world considering
the population and comparative weolth of the
eooatry: they might alk of the Irish or Fogl•b
EarablirhmenI, but this would fir exceed them.
The injustice of depriving the people of these
lead, would be apparent whet they reflected
who had given them their value. Twenty-five
years ego they did at pay the srlhog expenses,
whereas now they would produce the large sem
he had mentioned. it was by the industry ed
the people they had received their value, who
had settled on the neigl boring lands sod im-
proved all .round them by opening the country
arm - ---'is 91)11them lands remained
nnrleared, the resort of the woe some.» . .
forest, the .nnoy,oce of the farmer. They were
even worse then uncleared land. held by private
indi•iduals. Individuals paid axes on their
land, but the Clergy Rewrote paid nothing to
the municipalities. i1e appealed to the Hoose
whether it was not desirable thin the strife and
disrenaion caused by this great question should
' M set at rest forever. that we should no longer
have alis various denominations cleanse far
state pay, god others onnna:e-
eenuecuve to the well being of the interests of
religion that clergymen should he eontinoally
combating for • divinon of the spoil. Had the
Clergy Reser.os never been dreamt of, he be-
lieved that the Church of England would base
been more numerous, better supported, and men
wealthy than she was st present: those Churches
whir). had no Stare ■ssistanee, supported their
ministers wuh'lsr men lber.bty than those of
ilia Chnreh e( E.gletd, even with their sppre-
',notnn. ply Puce then proceeded to quote
,le opinion of Lord Gnn'illit that the term
" Protestant Clergy" inelnded all bat Ministers
of the Roman Catholic Chnreh, and also the
opinions to the same 'Feet of all the Judges et
the Queen's Reath is England [except Lords
Denman and Abinger. who Mppesed to be sb-
srnt,] when .he question was submitted to them
1n 1.740.] Ilonorsble members would see
that none condi doubt 'bat all but the
t'hutrh of R. -me were •nthiI.d t0 so refuel
ehere to the endowment. It had been sad
that the members for Low er Camden were
not interested to tl it 9'e11100, he could
"how that then %ere very dreply intrre•t-
rd, berate. • lugs quantify of land had
hoes set apart in the Lower Province for the
rapport of • Prote•tsnt Clergy, eltho'•(tt
it was part • Cathodic country. The nom.
her olaerse ret apart wee 934.057, and the
gnsetit! sold 361.699, leaving 671.333 on -
•old. The smn'.n( of money received on
the sales was £74.326 2 I I; remotion, doe
L'6.703 18 E. The people of (tower Cage-
d' bad LMrefnre ss goof rosette to wish the
gwestion settled on len and e-griitable p•ln-
triples as (hose of roper Canada. and he
trnaml that the members from that lection
of the Province would join with ilia.. of
Upper Canada in ennecienuooely Ai•eh.rg
ing their ditty on thus matter. With Ti
gard to th. •pprornarinn of the po.senr
nenme from the pommels of the Clergy
L..4., M MTh* ment.nn 1he1 in 1819 the
am...t of the revenues Dole► the old salts
was £17.663 13 8, amt of wh'eh then was
glad to the Roman Catholics, LI 166 12s;
se ate Rev_ W. DO, Presbyterial) Mooney
4.
mtatemeeta ese14 be diepetsd- le lett, the no s.etleme*t, K there did eel step the
lanais elf the Upper Casal. Parliament emote sl ewes, 114e gessoes weal sdtM M
preyed eMs4y what wee the stale of Nolte, spew. He tbnegbt tlst lk.eo Oat" tee
ow ,het q.s.ariee. me ow wet 5.e part, life woad he rodeleed by lbs Awns! if
,.rely, bot all parties bad est..9d tato that 1...', sol M bad o 4.0141 floe lies, woe
.
Irl. g. The 50. m.wrher fear Tomato bad b. Witter • /wittiest thea with tool . Ne
,,.tad that from theirs* time hie o(IaSIiws world ■M make up kb,mked she hep' mat.
heti Mea directed to the moieties, 14o era ter, as to the proper way le settle K t 14e
c.entaeed Ihe' (tie.• teed. bad not 10*a Mt Could .0l kow.ves, vMe Mf Swt ait140tY�
• Dart for'►w useof 11. chorea of Cngla.d talism 9,114 Chet pevNS.a i. i10, Mt
alone, and ret be appeared to Ihiuk that it 9a• obliged t• aekanwledge that, be way
hhaa d1 reeo• a.ivC.d. oa ria"anuarl a eestltheebetwate. lveNjuowgeshr oos.st►blv. etso eslNe. .*mwMo.who11.ottrhedougondhl'Whre
✓ d it was •,id•.1 that they did not mean resolution* we.Id be like the moo awl Nn
that the eM,rel're .l England •ed Scotland a.• -he wee4 ple..e Nbdp, 5s4 9esW
•houtd ales. dare. sot heland from the R• I•oe Ms •se.
esr.e., but that all Prosaatssl ebureh.a Mr. Botieitor Geyrel M.I*OPfAL EI
' beide participate in them ; wt be eooW wenW oak hen. saemh'n, V Maga Clay
nal understand how 1t was po seibl. to in were sleeted, there woe •e• w►}et IMMO
rin.e them is accordance with the'e•aolog than mother that bad engaged sums
of the ACI, or boa a eatld Wi warned that neo, was of not the Clergy Resew.. t
a •attafaetery seltlesee.t had bees mad'.- oust tied .ad unsatisfactory alaii ei whieb
• For, the remote* snelog Crum the Iasis" sold mete of troth 0olonet1, es t11 r0.4er paths_
previous* 10 the Pawi.g elitist Act amount" tog onnemeeesry. 8014 petits/es owed oda
nog to L17,000 s year, while the rer.su• Armen bed boss prewwted from y.0t' to
Brow■ Nothing but pray for those who
did not ssk them to dg a• Not a the Se-
minary of Montreal. On one (weenier'
among .shore, in th I roar 1791, when the
city of Montreal wee threatened with attack
by the fire Natioas, with the money they
drew from Fraser, they built walls •round
the town sod bought arms to defend it, 1t
was by 'cueing as well as by prayers that
they had served their country. The mnb-
lshine•t ut Lower Canada was put un a
(soling which secured the respect and love
of those who need under it. The tithe so
walled was taken to the fairest po•siblo w•y;
only the 26th part of ail the farinaceous
grain was exacted, the produce of the mea-
dows, the routs were 9ntaged, and none
who did not belong to the church wen ever
called upon In contribute to its resources.
Hs committed that the voluntary principle
was as certainly • Protestant principle as
the E•t•hlishmeet wu a Roman Catholic
one. When the Refonnatton giro the ut-
most freedom nf belief, it followed that as.
or one should have Cho right to support
What church he chose with Sts contribu-
tions. The Reformation had bees for the
Roman Catholic church as well as the Pro-
testant. There was after that no danger of
• Pope placing his foot upoo the seek of an
F.dap.ror, or of the claim being sal up by
Rome that aha could loose this subjects of
other .anone of their 'alegtancs. So 14.
✓ aid political goad bad flowed from Cha Re-
formation by freeing the human mind from
submission to • power, which though regnt-
stti to them as Catholics should never b.
■pplied to politics. It was the system
eoromno tel the -church of Rome, each man
gars what be'neuld afford to the support of
Ins priest. in years of scarcity it might be
that the poor man'• gift was only a heed
fel, perhaps nothing, bot has delcteney waw
commentated by the doaatinn of tbe neh
who possiblrg.ve twenty babel.. And
that entero would necee.arily continue in
force so long as the great maj•wity of the
people in it ; and any attempt to
interfere with it would be Dothing but an
undue usurp•lioa of power. On the other
hand --and it was not with • desire to-caet
injtirioes refiectioas on the church of Eng-
land that he said this, for it had produced
men renowned for virtue, went sod learn-
ing -but it was notorious that it had been
made use of for repairing the shattered cos-
d,tlon of a reckless nobility, who had ruined
in the ;acre and .taiience given ; figures
were more eloqueal than in nuteraer.snd
more true-h.caose they cool.' not lie,
whereas committee could .eldom tell the
truth. The people of Canada 5.d been'eb-
bed of a million of acres by the constitutio-
nal act of 1891. It was passed by the Kine
without coneoltinr the People's r.proeeata-
tives ; it taxed the people of the Province,
although it had been determined that no tax
should be laid upon the inhabitants of ley
colony, in order to build op en alliance be-
tween Chinch and Sate. It was mon a-
trocious still in Lower Canada, where there
were far fewer belonging to lbs church to
whom the land. were given. There too.
where the majority did sot Hoek to cosnect
church and .tate, asking not what eras eneo'e
opinions, but only melting to steers good
civil government to all. le the U. States
that pnociple had changed the very face of
nature, and in France bad been adopted and
been productive of miich good. The want
of Chet toleration in England had knee pro-
ductive of the greatest *tritons it had assis-
ted to keeping up the aristocracy, and in
mel ong servile tools of the adminiatrstiem
of the day. France had learned better ad
secured to all who settled in Lower Caada
fes tolerative to all. It had. indeed carried
it to that degree that (he Rabbi or Protest-
ant Clergyman was better paid than the
Catholic clergyman because being bound to
celibacy, he had not the expeesea of a fami-
ly. One of the mato causes of the lose of
the thirteen colonies was the attempt to es-
tablish the Church of England there, and
sloe t of '91 wb'ch was an attempt of
15..'atimeter, nu Immerse so Muth
evil that it was only ten years ago that the
matter was settled finally, at then eon.ide•
red. Finality in polities Mae, however, too
absurd to be seriously contemplated by any
one. The bon. "Amber for Essex, in the
homily be had read to Omni, had prayed
them not t0 disturb the vested rights of the
church of England, not to rob her; tbo hon.
member bad said nothing, however. of the
church of England robbing others. (Cheers
to which the gallery joined.) That member
had also presented a petition the other day
to interfere with the most important vested
right". Mr. Pepineau then reverted soothe
constitutional set, which he said ea intoe•
utnont assume that Parlament will accept ded by Pitt !k. Grenville to establish a bier -
this delegated office: and if It should not be arehy, to be followed in due time by an ar-
ra er,sp.... t _ ...4.0.•18011 of 'tie 11111 ietocracy. 1n Lower Canada, the "natr.e-
raey ..1 c..n cheated with promises of
toles and honors which
and in Upper. Canada the Family Compact
had been bretifbt into deep emb en'
of affairs, and even to utter ruin, by trusting
to the promises which England was unable
fulfil. TM Legislature of Upper Canada.
as he had ample means of knowing, from
hie aeauaintanc4tith lotoo-a tooto9er..,t
it, weleomposed omen sni.eeeeIly seekers
of office or of grants of land; it was not en
in Lower Canada where there was no land
to be given by government , By 151. means
the vote of almost .very metnber, on partic-
ular matters was at the command of Gov-
ernment, for if there were any particularly
scrupulous there were always busy bod`.es of
the Council ready to whisper in their ears.
that any amount of land could be had by
those who would be pliable. Many a lime
had the friends of popular rights been sad•
dened and disappointed by seeing men thro'
these means voting against their Dolour,
pledgee. 11 was under the pressure of them
circumstances that the Parlament went to
the 11.me Government to ask them to settle
Chi. question, to resume the powers they
were not able to *mercies properly. After
objections by Lord John Russell, the Bill
was passed. A portion was allotted to the
church of England. and a porton to the
fh"rch of Scotland. One c,cumeta.et
which 'hewed the abeurdoty of the doctrine
would be productive of stainer prewttree.
and of no 'titbit antis! adventsge. It would
postpone indefinitely the settlement of a
question which it much concerti' the wel.
fare of the Province to bring to a does; be-
sides, I cannot admit that there ex:at in
the country greater facilities than is Upper
Canada for the arljmtment of this Contro-
versy; on the con - , the Provincial Leg-
islature will k..-- •_ -•- ,r...,r.rou
client 01 accurate information u to the ex
tent of the wants and general opinions of
society in that country, in which Parlia-
ment is unavoidably deficient. For all
these morons ller Majesty will decline to
gine Iter assent to the. Boll:" 11e thought
that it had been shown that Cho people of
Canada have invariably instated on, as the
Home Government had acknowled, their
right to settle Chu q iertinn as they pleased,
and If they asked to hath that power given
hack to them which they had surrendered
to the imperial authority, he was sure it
would he granted. The hon. member for
Toronto had aid lately that it was in obe-
dience to piddle opinion that be had inlro-
dneeJ • particular meagre; he trusted that
hon. members world pay regard to public
Minion in the mains also -not public cla
moor, which d,ed away in an hoot, but that
quiet, decided public opinion formed on a
!all •cg.tntaece with the subject. To
prom.tn the welfare and advance the moral
of the Clergy of other denomination*. H• g.sltoe est were pwsesed is tarry ewe thesis
could sot conceive how any per0.s could einelplet spur wNsW Cloy wore a mesa •
say that was as eq.nta►Ie arrangwmewl. It 'sstsnees ranrw•Jn he ohowll like to sial
bad been them go hack lu Meir snnstitsent• .t ingM
P 1 N next election. The Faille, I. seta. 9se ea
tenger to be trilled with. Tear after year
formerly, arlrrnpte bed bees meds to pre -
Once t' f et' ti
A nes • s• i• abt y se 1,•me9t .f this goes -
lion ; and the efforts hal Iles ant by that
Legislative Council, who treated the wish --
es of the people with contempt. Ti. mew.
sun which was introduced is 1139, might
well satisfy the gesrlemas who brought is
is, Meaner. it gam the lion's share to bit
own church -it •pnrnpnste* two-thirds of
the Clergy Recerr.e to the Church of Eog-
laed, ad Om -third to that of Beotlaed.-
Did the turned member think that sash
an •►r.ngeotest would satisfy the people of
this Province 1 Sims that period the
Church of England received in some year
from the Clergy Reserve Fund £10,000,
while the other 'feminineness did not ob-
tain ono penny. In 1791, whom the Pro -
.ince of Upper Cooed. was established. 09••
seventh of all the lands ia the country,
was granted to the Church of England, to
the exelu.,on of every other denomioation
and so continued till 1827. Before that
time, lads wen of no great talus : 14et
sine. that period, a. the enema, b.ea0.
settled. it wen found that everywbere there
were blocks el land shot up in this way
which were every day becoming more valu-
able, and which people who had fought it
defence of their country, and who perform -
.d their duty as gond subjotts, found, waw
lbs properly surf a church in whisk Choy did
not bolters. Was it surprising, therefore,
that people who was so treated should be-
etle,* dissatisfied. The Haute had butt
told that it cooled not retorter* witb an Act
of Parliament ; but as had ben proven in
mon than one instate.. these Acts were
not een.id.red Goal. There must be some
swat of mesmeric ieAoenee which he (Mr.
M,D.) did not understand. by .14ieb mane -
hers who were retnreed for their liberal
prinetttee, were sgbeq'..elly framed willing
to se11 their caste!. O1 the reyesei since
1640. derived from the Clergy Re.•rwse, .1
which the Church which certainly Ia4
el.ittae, r.eei.ed shoot one-third ; their af-
ter properties had been received be' ether
erote.tant Assownn*tioes, and £600 by the
Roman Catholics, the blanc* remitted ie
the hands of the g..srnmeet, with which
i( they wore os disposed ala members might
set enrruptly at any coming 'levies. In
dime/ming a Tiara of the ascription
then before the Heave, eserahers are wpm
Owed to impress the opinions of their ese-
stituents ; and he believed there wry very
few who wan in favor .(the establehmest
of a .'sI. eboreb in this Provinn : wl.e1 .
universally viewed with di.setiafetinu.-
Members were expected tet ealy to 'air-
port :hwir, awe views std dist of their tom•
etito•als, bet of the pestle of the reentry
at largo ; among whom it was 'video, there
wood M est aatufaetiee u.Ul theC1.rgy
R..erse goestine was settled epos *3.110141.
priseiples. The meaabr for Lesion (Mr.
Wilma) had said he would 9111 vote for the
Reaolo'inn..
Mr. Wdsen said i( the preposition* which
wen laid log■ i■ th... Resolutions had
opportunity of hearing that Woo. gentle- bees cermet. he weinld hey. voted for them.
maws ubjeetioty but h* wu told Wi had Mr. McDONALD continued, the learned
.aid that these rseolwtioe. would lav' sm gentleman objects to the recognition of
effect as they were not introduced by the warted literate is the incumbents. White
government. Now, he was of opinion that be (Mr. D.) denied the existence of any
the Home Government would aver impure much vented rights, • doe regard must he
by whom tbey were introduced, bet would heel to the interest of incumbents who bed
▪ deet the noinion of that Hones if it pare- held ender them eo long ; and the lest
td them. Of eonrse it wonld have been clause of the Resolution more particularly,
more satiefaetory if they could bees bees had for its object to respect those rights. -
introduced with the united strength of the ft had been contended that the Hooes
Cabinet, but that was impossible as the •hnuld have proceeded by Bill, .9d sol by
Cabinet, was not unanimous is its opinion .ddre... Brit did gentlemen 'appose that
es thin quest•oa. With respect to the oke the British Government would permit • B111
objections made to the intenductio• of thin to become Intl, which wntild sweep away
measure last 8e.ion, shoat which he had •n Act of the Impanel Parlt•rnest. 1f tills
nn doubt a great deal was s.id,he calamity renld be dose in ono instaete, it might he
say fur his own art that his opinion* bed effected is others ; a proceeding to which
never vaned, that be was always co.vieced the Home Goverem.nt would never eon -
that no satisfactory settlement was ae yet eget. Thou' g•itlemes, therefore, who
arrived at, and that he took it up in the were desirnns of proceeding by Bill were
manger he thought beet, sod at the time be not sincere in their professions of liberty
'bought best ; and he eared vary little for with reference to the Clergy R.twrvee ; es
the np'vrnna that some paean had 'nee fit they never would enbetituto for a meeemre
to extreme, for those who were best &equate- wMeh might be adopted with saint tty,
t.4 with hire, knew that he was perfeetly ei.- aced which would ant be i9 apparition to
core, and that hie opinion' had always been that of the Imperial Parlisr.st, a 8111 which
the tam.. they knew could not naive the Royal As-
her. WILSON went over IM statistics sent.
which had been gives by previous speaker.. Mr. ROBINSON .poke in os berried e
11us opinion had .Iways bee that the whet* meaner, that a was difficult to understand
Clergy Lands belonged, by the Conetita- bier. He was understeeJ however to say
tiosal Act, to the Church of Eeglad; whoa that m.mben should be aware of gili9g
the Judges of the Queen's Beech i• Erg• pledges, the effect of which wee to ngk.to
land gave their decision however, he had the country, relative to • lnbjal, wMeh
given in to their decision. it was a9 ex- was kept as a eery( political bobby arse,
ceediegly difficult matter to decide what at'- on which to ride into Parliament; and which
rangem..t should be rade among the nth- in ordinary timet is wet beerd of ie the Up-
on bodies ; the Church of 8eotlaed bad re- per Province. The leaved member for
oei.e4 its elate, bet tt 144 taste been split Lnwdos said, he did net sat any way is
an* ; .se potties of the ese.d.re from it which the queerer of the Clergy Resta e
believed that it was lawful. but net exp.4i• eoold be properly settled. The Hare.., Me.
ea, to take money from the State ; end se Robtween said, is vary plain en 90 host
other that it err .tithe. lawful sere:p a- man he 4d not e.ds.steed herr m) mew er
est. Other denomientions were in the body of men could -be deprived ef their
same position. The Baptista woald not rights. TM leen* g stlsm9. wM had
accept It at all. Mr. %Vitas thea pertained- jest spokes, had spud thee • properties e/ -
a to quo's the lint r.sofetos., which de- the C1lergy Rosen. 4104 mfgbt be e.s4 h
agree the airiest .ppropriatie. *njo•t, and lb , fur ed re sueiseleir
them from the 10th, which ihet might be avoided
withow~t ~�
greets wader it to 16. 'menet Incumbents, with the Act of the 1 peNa P.rll.. *,
'ither fes a term of years or for life, if the the ptNamb4s of wheel, deed= it to he the
first wen wrong why did they Gaal AIti. .., e1 the q..eties. Woad
setas them to resists 1 Why net 'weep the ptttpfe of Low.' Casale, be weM ask.
them d at ears 1 Hs •greed with the be satiated if the right* cif the Renese Or
member for St. Matinee. thee se eettlsm.pt *belle Cti.t.! Is 'het pekes ei the Tin.
of the gMm,.. *este be Gaal. The Asee14 vim flank. (odds,, wN14 / b IAeelesn
of Ile0iad W sheered its potties : the .yid, the Cksl1L,s ed
Nstb.det New Cesar:km had dose se awed Claud, t!9 Mrdh.dieb ani
Wee. end m wend centime a(heliliee, ties. W Withered wM lbw
gin W tamp it wee .old that they were es ft has 14..e sssjW, sed de Iwo
1. Is eel thegttselip et net. bat it tree pp.praden, (..gar se k flry gists ,tap
pretended that the Imperial .15l-
uts was tossed on the rovieci• Act. Now,
that staismsst could not he allowed testae.
for there was the widest difference between
them, as the Prosioeial set did sot take
env distinction as to the different denoml
nations, where's a distinction had been
mads by the Imperial Act. But it would be
much holler if it had o.n.r beige referred to
the Imperial Perlam.ot; and he would here
observe with regard to the alleged dt3Ieul'y
to settling this question, that a difficulty
world bans arises if tho Province had
pnsseesed • cnnstiintiunat form of Govern-
ment. (dear.) Year after year hills pas. -
ed the Lower House, and were imvarusl!y
est aside by the influent which the Execu-
tive brought to bear on the other branch of
the Legislature, and a cos.egoenn of the
great power possessed by the advisers of
the heed of the Government watch enabled
them to del.at the wishes of the House .f
Assembly. 1f it were not for that satag0•
norm, there would bays been no difficulty
whoever ie settling it. Some objictione
hal been made to the resolutions because
they it.d not been embodied in a bill, sed be
Perceived that one boa. gentleman had gm -
ea notice of ouch • hill. Now, he thought
It must be obvious. to every one that It was
impossible for the House to proceed by hill.
and that the course takes by bis hos. frieod
was the only one in their power to adopt. -
If hon. gentlemen deluded the people, by
staying that it was is their power, merely
ie order to carry out their own views they
took a very greet responsibility on them•
tad they might be eoo6Jent that the
people would at last find out the .no►meua-
nese of the statement. Then with regard
to the claims nf the present incumbent, the
hon. member for Toronto tem of Cnnre at
liberty to form bits own opinions with re-
gard to the motives of himself or bio hos.
friend, but from anything that had been said
14. thought It wen11 impossible to .how that
they bed the slightest dears to Monism
with the prevent incumbents. Bo far from
having any ides of the kind, or having bees
inclined to give his vole for it, be declared
it to be a monstrous proposition, and one
that would be characterised by cruelty and
dabonee'y, whoa it was d that
many of the clergymen of this Pro.aee
came est from the mother country i■ the
full belief that their incomes world be con-
tinued to them. if these resolutions be-
came law, the Hamm would of course feel
tl.t the faith of the Crown was pledged to
(sees 5eotle90, sad he Mat eoneec.d th.1
O 0 00. would tbiek for a -moment of break-
ing it. The bon. gentleman might (eel per.
featly li, a it wouldnt iD fact Nie tb•
power o/ envarMrte to int.rfeore.
Mr. SHERWOOD-It would he a case
exactly similar to the present. .
Mr. MINCES -Of course : and it is not
is the power of any one In make a change
now ; and he 9.e not afraid that a single
individual would be found. willing to nppoee
the rights of Cho'e iecombents if an Imperi-
al Act recognized them. Having bees ab
ret from the House whets the member
for Norfolk was speaking, he had not the
roti
..,
and religions rendition of the Province they of finality, was, that sines that time, • large
or"e bound to sttnport it; they were bound majority of the latter church had declared
to 51ppnrt 11 on tho great principle of equal that they could not accept any 'support from
r'gh'a to .11, of whatever rased or denommn rhe .tate, and had left the church on that
tion. 11e wished to go to Great Britian t0 ask ground; yet the church, though not pre.tto
the power to dtemaa the root of bitterness' sing hall Ito former number., wag to ennti-
o hide
had .4
non a
harm
dwelt. In a short tome he trusted that time
stihject would he removed never more to be
a cave of strife. Ile had been told that it
wee not *tee to suggest that we should
o ccurs to the prevent incumbent- their pre-
✓ ent income" dating their Ines. Ne
thought that the proper conn"* had keen
taken: of erseprop.r that they should show
the people of Onset Britain that they intend -
.d to pay re.p.et to the elan.* of isd'yid
osis, many of Neo. iseombeet• having been
brought from England on the faith d the
Gov.rem•sl grant. The femme why this
question wits Ont settled Icor ago, was *el
that IM Upper Cenadana or their A.sembly
were opposed to its eslllemeel, bet became
every dart to d. ea ores frustrated by the
had grown up in their midst, wMeh nus to receive ate allownc
ae. It was mon_
church "matron CM,reh, father 11.101t I serous to saythat we eoold sot go to the
1 son *gloat 'ether, to brief rk to imperial Government ad a.k, that the' pew -
y and peace the land in whisk he e, we had 'austerity gives up, with too
much precipitation, which newer could be
properly *gemmed abroad, should be rade.
ed to u•. The worst feature in the present
mitlement wee, the power that tree given
to the crown to grant the ree'do, of the
money to any denomonatioe they ehnee.-
Seeh a prolamine appeared to hove costs
from Rt. Petersburg. What wee it hest
giving the power to the G•v*tna .st, ahoy
giving *0 5 .5(1 .M year, to gt.* it *0 ase -
ow. the next, who would be more romplai-
sent to them. Tb members from Lower
Caesds hd has warned that they nimbi
expee t so.sernscb.se•t nn theerdowmoete
of the Roma. Catholic church of i,. Cana-
da, if they voted ler this measure. Toe
endow/meet alb, Roman Catholic ehorsh
effort. of the members el the Church. ea was bayed the laws ,.f -.--J-e- and the
threnged lb. L 'gfe:M to Ceased All the! teat of Partials/et : It was scared by
��.. .elhp bu.ti.p .ad menet; on/ while
i1ei�es r horses bore the weight of the church
in safety over the bodge.. their agents were
wringing £50.000 or £40.000 •-year from
• miserable set of pauper. is • country in
which they Heyer sat fool and in which they
had on congregations. Sfuet that monstrous
abuse be introduced here! Mu.t one -7th
of the public lands be set apart for the se•
elusive advantage of • small minority of the
population 1 it might have the effect of
creating ministers, bot it meat certainly
would not have the effect of drawing con-
gregational : for it was natural for the pyo.
ole to tbink that the minister who obtained
his support in nisch a manner, would sot be
a very pious or very good man. 11. would
willingly abstain from .oung os this ques-
tion, if it were in his power to do so, but
he did not think he would be jueit3ed it ab-
senting hi•neelf from the discussion of any
�.a.a., sore particularly when it was is -
tended to restore to them ase nest§ oe
which they had been rnhbed by an Act of
th• Imperial Parliament: by en act o! brute
force. He considered himself bound to do.
fend the rights of every man of whatever
nee, religion. or comm -- '•• might be-
enetner Sew or infidel, and he look pride
to Aimee!, when be rwdect.d that twesty-
fi.e years ago his countrymen of L. Canada
ha4 freed themselves from the bonds of re
hgious prepadic., and ted the equality
of the Jew, it his right to enjoy all the civil
and political eights of a freeman. It was a
subject of gratulation to which he often
toroed his owe thoughts, as he thanked
God tbat his countrymen, the benighted,
the ignorant, the Roman Catholic French
of Lower Canada. had nn bench of Bishop
to impose nn them their narrow-minded.
bigoted prejwdtees; but obeying the dictates
of Ibis ewe comseieseee had been the Ant
and goes the farthest of all the colonies of
Britain, is recognising and proclaiming to
all the world their lose for religtoee tolera-
tion and religion liberty.
Mr. MINCES said, it was evident from
the course of the debate that the resolutions
were to be opposed by two parties. Tho«.
who were determined to prevent s salsfic-
tory settlement and onpo•ed any •herein..,
and soother section who pretended that the
resolutions did not go far enough, and wan-
ted to tale some other course. Among
the Ant was the honorable member for 11. -
sex who had grounded his oppo.ltinn on a
supposed interference with varied rights. -
All *hat be could *ay was, that he should be
extremely »Inetent to interfere with what
he considered vested rights. He did not
AMMO to tab that in stmt nem it wend sot
he expedient, and at should be skews that
there were instates of steteemee of the
highest rank baring dam so. 11e weed on
ly refer to the course purttnt.d by Lord John
Reseal towards the Trish Chnreh. He re
posted he bed a great relectaneo 1. inter.
Aire with vested riThto,aed be gave his top.
pert 10 therm rese.'Itiene from a eoevicllon
Out they eee4 net be gad to do os. He
relieved to tibia Weaon there was so evident
desire to make it appear ow the pert .f ear.
tun bo.- geutkwma that they were framed
with that infesti's. Whereas the very •a
tat the Aet of George the Third sailer
Manse lands apart wee hablo to be mania
by • Provieeoal Parl.awst, skewed very
clearly that they were DOWN vortad to My
p•rilogies body. Hie hes. (need tied gene
at greet leaVb env • history of the lure -
tie., end be believed that eel ewe e( W
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