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HomeMy WebLinkAboutThe Wingham Times, 1895-07-19, Page 2TUE WING IAM TIMES, JULY 19, i$95. 4 EXPENDITUR O PARED M the prisons of our country for Inueh . less a stun, In addttion to that you 8I'L ENDiO1. sPa porn nv Drt, niacllONAl u, I will remember that the various IN TUB IIOtTSE or comet es, religions communities sent out a I large proportion of the clothes used Air, 11Taedonald (Iluron). 1 sup-� by the Indians upon the reserves, pose that after so long a speech as and• therefore the expenditure of the 'Glint of the hon gentleman those Government in that particular is NOW, whist we eontend is thin the who have listened to lrini are tired. reduced very much. whole is largely beyond wliat it should be ; and when I tell you that no less than $106,682 have been paid I have listened for the last two hours atnd, ;t half to a speech fully five - sixths of whieh dict not bear upon the issue brouglit before the house by the bon, member for Bothwell (Mr. Millen The Iron. Minister gave of Manitoba, you will have an idea us the history of the Indians, altll'stio- of the extravagance in that Damien- enough to every us to wrieearth- t lar • and consequently the Indiansdo graph of every Indian in the forth= west Territories and British Colum- not receive the assistance which they bi And I wonder the bon, gentle- would receive under a more eco - Man nomical Government, anon. did not give us the names, I Th° hon, gentleman speaks. as if suppose he would have done so only the Liberal party wished to keep the that be could not pronounce them. Indians in ignorance, Now, that is thought this audience was very not the policy of the Liberal party. patient. In fact the thought came Iron. gentlemen opposite always try into Puy mind that if the hon, gentle- to uta olio of their own choosing man lead been speaking to a Toronto into the mous s of the Liberal party. thence he would have been f as salaries to the officials in the Indian Department for the province blundering and extravagance in that department. Let elle give you the opinion of a I gentleman wbo was in the militia. Tee a great number of years, Col. R. U. Davis. Ile belonged to the 37th battalion, and in a paper read be- fore the Military Institute, Toronto, early in 1895,, he said : • We llwvo no corps lit to take the field - That was a sweeping statement from a military man, a Man who belonged that t battalion for nearly twenty, Ito y three years. Peniteiitiaxies ..................� h4ii,A011 or an increase of 1Q4 per cont, I reduction of 21 per Gent. In 1878, `81elnig 1ti te'h-''" 4,207,00° Again, we have been told in this the controllable ea%penditu>'e was Mall subsldxes and subventions51f1,000 House that the Mackenzie Govern- $11,542,000, and i11. 1894, after six (,overiulxent of lv. W 'r. • • , , • 277,000 tt'v rule it Militia , 1,235,000 ulcus increased the superammations teen year of Conservative e ' i T ilitia cs.. , ... • • , . • , • • , ^ 41;7,000 in larger proportion than the present amounted to $17,927,477, of an in- ]'meiosis .a l'a stlpe>.'annuations, . 267,000 Government. It is said that ingures crease for that period of 174 per will not lie, and they do not lie in cent, Total-- , , < , , . , , . , X7,499,000 Int' hands, for T simply give correct DAM) p UPON" ro:rlra�A,rro;�*. These stuns total k7,409,000, leaving figures to the House. In 1878 the a balance of 830,080,0011 to be divid- ex.penditure under this head was Mr. Speaker, let nue tan° another ed amongst :,000,000 population, i the differ 1 , . overt' man $100,588; in 1894, it was 8262, Q2, or an increase of 146 per cent. I1SmeneTIOlr ANI, QIJARAN'1 /NE, Under the bead of immigration --nor organization for a campaiee, nor and quarantine, I find that in 1878 stores to supply it, The Militia, DepaLt- the 11:iackenzie Government expended, moat knows nothing about the rural militia, $180,691, as compared with $316,,. and cares less. 803 last year. I would ask hon. gentlemen opposite if more people did not come in from abroad during the regime of Hon, Alexander Mac- kenzie than have come into the A. very serious ehargo against the Militia Department of the country. Then he goes on to say ; There darkness and ignorance, or worse, have prevailed for many years, The countrysince. Yet only half the country well knows, and the department should know, that the militia is not only money was spent under the Reform disorganized, but demoralized. Administration as compared with the Now, there is the statement of a man expenditure of the actmistration of whose testimony cannot be gain -said. 1894. Sir, let me say that I am in favor of II,,TOREASE IN EXPENDITURE, brought u a ht to bis seat long ago ; but 1ti'1hy, Sir, we have men o superior an efficient militia, I am in favor of Let me wake another eompareson. bre g capacity in the Liberal party, men expending a reasonable sum in order ,rhe total controllable expenditure in fortunately for him he was speaking p Y to an audience more patient than the of superior judgment, as is admitted to keep it efficient, and I am not here 1878 was $0,542,510, as compared people of the west. by the entire country, and we can to -night for the purpose of throwing with the present expenditure of $17, - Now the bon. gentleman sought to formulate our own policy and put a cold water upon the militia 'of this 927,477, or an increase of 174 per put into our mouths as Liberals a proper construction upon it, without country. T know that it is chiefly cent, under the present Government, certain policy and to impress upon asking hon. gentlemen opposite to do Composed of young men who would Tarte, again, a comparison of the the people of the Northwest the idea it for us. Oar policy is to do all we come to the rescue of their country cost of collecting revenue. In 1878 that we were opposed to a liberal can for the Indians, and to be as I if necessity arose. I am here to the cost of the Liberal Government expenditure of money upon the economical as possible in the dfstribu- condemn the extravagant expends was $5,201,124, as compared with Indians of Manitoba, the Northwest tion of the money. We take our j ture of large sums of money, without 89,132,610 in 1894, or 72 per cent Territories and British Columbia. stand upon that policy, and let it I promoting the efficiency which we increase. Take the total expendi- We would act as liberally in regard not be unknown to those 'who spoke desire to have in our militia. ture in the two periods. In 1878 Y 8 upon the other side. ` Next let me give you the opinion the total expenditure was$23,503,- :this 23 503 - to the Indians as it was possible for pL, the 1 gentleman gave ! of the "Military Gazette," in its p ' .this country to do. We take as g g y 159,d last t was $37,585,7 eonrparisQn to snow you 'which maces ai• , once between the expenditures of the woman and child in the country for two ilolitieal parties when in power: our ordinary expenditure, I3ut, Sir, This time I will base the comparison if we strike these items out of our upon the population., In 1808 we calculation, we are justified in strik- hail a population of 3,375,000, and inn out of the expenditure of the ane $4 per expenditure of $13,4$0,000, or ; United States payments made by about $4 capita, In 1874 when them far whieh we hate nothing to the Conservative ,party went 3,880,- 000 out. 8 0 f correspond in Canada. What are power we had a population of , :, they ? They aro the following ; 000 with an expenditure of $28,316,- • army pensions . , pensions.. - - , . ''''''' , • - 't159,300,000 000, or in round cumbers G per dost of navy. ... . . . .. . . . . 30,1130,000 capita, an increase during the Con- ' Cost of military, , , , . , , . , . • , 49.042,000 servative regime of 50 per cent on Sugar bounties 1,375,000 the controllable expenditure. In 1 Foretgil diplomacy . 1,90,000 1878 when the Liberal party went . Total $3,50,2G3,Oo0 out of power, we had a population of This sum roust be struck out of their 4,124,000, an expenditure of $23,' account. Now, compare the balance 503,000, or $5.70 per capita, a de- of these items, 4,111 the general ex crease of 5 per cent under the Lib- eralthe administration. The entire ex -l CONCLUDED ON PAGE 3. penditure during these sixteen years of Conservative rule, with a popula- - - tion of 5,000,000 rose to 7-52 per BA capita or an increase of 32 per cent. ' - much interest in the welfare of the Indians and would be as ready to do anything to promote their interest as the Liberal -Conservative Govern- ment, We are in favor of the red man having eyerythhng, for we know that MK of Here are several comparisons made i upon different bases for the purpose VST I N G H A M . of showing that the administration Capital, 01,250,000, hest, ffti50,000- of public affairs by the Conservatives has always been more extravagant President -ions Stumm, than the administration under the I Vice•Prceident-A. U. RAMSAY. Liberal Government front 1874 to , nuteo'ro>its 1878, A 1�.T3�N ,oar women. Gee. Recon, wx anlsfN, iii P,A. T NOW, a ion. i , an as year i , many figures in regard to the posi-1 issue of January, 1895: U. 5 or 60 per cent. increase. Talce I will give another comparison and woov, a. B. Lits (Toronto). tion occupied by the Indians to -day I The militia has never been in a worse 25,the rdemption c the debt. In I think it is a fair ono. Our circum- oasillor-J. Ttlitt;Eus,s,. in the different provinces, and the ,condition than it is to -day. Ignorance, in- againstances as regards the payments of y capacity and systematic neglect are the 1878 there was 81,738,745 paid on, havingg Bank -Hours. and upwards re eivedSaturdays,inter various improvements made amongst �' our accounts are nearly Similar to . 1. Deposits of Si nna upwards received and inter°, prominent characteristics of the present redemption of debt, and $0,400,997 of the United states. In 1820 allowed. them. I think that does not bear `militia system. for savings haul: redemption, main- thosespni 1peposits also received at Durrant upon the question at alt, beforeOnr charge Is that all the testimony I can bring ing a total of $8,139,742, as coin - was population of the United States j ratDeg arspro rentrirttnin and the united states under the • resolution the , ryas 9,.100,000, and the expenditure bought and nota House is that the Government has ; to bear as regards the disorganize pared with a redemption of debt last $18,285,000, or about $2 per capita. we have taken everything from him, tion of the militia force? Major year of 81,574,628. Those increases In 1830 the population of the B. WILLSON, �1cFssx and he is entitled to a liberal coin- been spending too much money, not i General Herbert, in his annual re -varying from upwards from 13 to only in the Indian Department, but i port of 1891, says : 100er cent., have been made by United States was 12,886,000, D. L. DICKINSON, Solicitor. m be the ppolicy our hands. That would every the present Government, while our• and the expenditure, $15; 1 be the of the Liberal Govern- in other department, which I went. will be able to show before I take( The rural corps are very deficient in in 8 oC1 140,000, or $1.25 per capita. In I understood the hon. member for Bothwell to talk in that strain, He is still population has only increased 1 my seat. In fact, they have admit- struction, but their organlaatton mor: defective. Money is spent for in - ted as much , themselves. We have struction by officers incapable of impart - is question upfor many' ingit. Last yearpressedupon n whose an s isap- Minister of the Interior the charge pointing those officials w o in - that n - that'there was an extravagant ex Capable of imparting instruction, and of moneyin this to whom has ,nonebeen given ment, and he stated last year, as -he imparting what was supposed to to -night, tat not one o ar be instruction money could be saved, that they are just as only been, a loss to the militia force, s possible. But what because it was expecteda e did the Minister of Finance say in force would receive instruction, u his Budget speech this year? He it also represents a loss to the hadbeen more money country. ere ore condemn spent in, the past than was necessary, extravagance shown in the militia oso to cut offfrom the expenditure,eeaus Indian vote, $85,000. We had bas received no adequate return for pointed out that the expenditure was too much that theefficiency ofe department might be kept up by a lesser sum, and the .Minister of Finance admitted it this year by cutting down the vote $85,000. cent during the last fifteen years. Is is not apparent that gross extrava- anco has prevailed against which the Liberal party has raised itsvoice from one end of the country to the other? But let me institute another comparison. In 186 the rst year under con- federation, the expenditure under consolidated fund was ' ' , ; 1873 six ears afterwards, under a Conservative Government, the amount bad risen to ;23,316,000, or an increase during the six years of $9,830,000, en average increase or each year of $1,038,000. Take the expenditure under the Iteformparty. The Mackenzie Government . carne intopower with an expenditure of $23,316,000; they went out of power with the expenditure at $23,593,000, or an increase during five years of $187,000, or an average of , , yearly, as compared with an aver- age increase -wider the Conservative Government of$1,638,000.rue now take expenditure under a Con- servative Government. t came in- to power in 1878, withtbe expendi- ture at $23,503,000, an atthe end of 1894 the expenditure hadin- creased to $37,585,000, or an increase of$14,082,000. I am giving the Government advantage Of the slap- plementary estimates. g i 900 000 000 of their debt and of sixteen years is $880,125, as com- pared, inti did not hamper their prosperity with an increase during the in the least. They eoiistruetecl. rail - Liberal administration of, 837,400, ways and built canals and re}erected PERCENTAGE Or INCREASE. In the first period. under Censer- the cities that were destroyed by the vative rule, the expenditure in- armies of the south and cif the north creased 73 per cent: In the second and yet they r'edueed degree after period of five years under the Liber.never that enormous debt, Canada, administration it increased less had any war of any f'•tilhf i'r than 1 per cent.,and in the third quence'except the little teinabblethat ern osixteen eears under Con- took :place in tin ortll•wcr;t ten p y veais ago and we have heard More servative administration, it inereas-' Justify rink enormous ed 60 per cent. The population un-; about that to unlit.' der the five years of Liberal admin- .expenditaP.rc than wa.s ever heard In the Senate or "ems •cif Re preeenta- tives in regard to the expenditure t o their war, 1840, the population of the United O States was 170,,000,000, and the ex- ® Q ■ 1 d t penditure, $24,000,000, or about i Valuable treatise and two bottles or medicine mint Free Us did not find fault with the schools brought this i g p g any Sniferor. Cive Ezp71,1 and ,at efflcc vldress, 'S• A. established in Manitoba or with the Years. L p the I i hands the power of ap a1.50 per capita. In 1850, the peon- ; a mi CHT:Mi ai Ca.. l.td., Inven°, Ont. training given the Indians in agi hn h are n Kation of the United states was 23,- j 191,000; and the expenditure, $41,- ` culture; but be did find fault with h• depart- h y e for compail n 000,000., or an expenditure, $1.80 I the manner in which the money was pendrture per Capita. In 1860, the population expended, because it was extrava-o That e has not 8, I first d ° of the United States was 31,500,000,, gently expended, and because the states h dollar t' el d and the expenditure, $63,190,000, or f money appropriated for the Indians h that th 813 480 000 about 82 per capita. Now, Sir, we was filtered through the hands of so eeonomieal a b t rn d come to the year 1860, and a change • will b found in the expenditure ' of thatonlya small rr i e p officials many moiety of it ever reached the Indians. said thele I therefore cl inn the the United States. We all know It is well known that out of every f that shortly after that year there dollar appropriated for their benefit and he prop d beeause the that befel that country one of the- most the Indians received only 48 cents, sanguinary wars tbat ever cursed end that the balance of 52 cents any nation in the world, Poi three such expenditure. The Major General goes on to say : The arms and equipments are, for the most part, obsolete. This is the character given to the militia by those qualified to speak with authority. Needion. gentle- men wonder that in the face of such testimony,given by high authorities, independent authorities, whohave no optical axes togrind,tothe effect that the militiahas been governed in an ignorant manner, I denounce it.We are called uponto . one million and a quarter dollars every year to hnaintain the force, and went to the official who handled the h h th or four years one half that country money and managed affairs. ' was in deadly conflict with the other Now, during the time of the 1 g p 1 v half. Property* was destroyed by Liberal Government from 1874 to the millions, railways torn up, tele - 1878, the average amount spent for $. 7 400 graph lines rendered useless, and the Indians in British Columbia was y 1 tl 1 nearly 2;000,000 of the population $25,000. Every cent of that went Y y died on the battlefield and in the into the hands of the Indians, with d h C t hospitals. In 1864 when the melte the exception of $6,000, or a little 1 g Let of battle passed away, they found less than 25 per cent, instead of 52 p , p p ff t p themselves indebted d to an enormous per cent which goes into the hands d p L b 1 I extent for the extraordinary expen- of the officials under thepresent 8 h d ditnres of that war.. There was no Administration. 11 d p expend 3,,03,000 d th d less a debt than $2,750,000,000 lying Now, the hon, gentleman compared C on the shoulders of the people in the condition of the Indians ten years h x.805, but -what did they accomplish? agar with their condition now and yet when we critic s s p To -day they have only a debt of said that they were better edueated. h' h I 1 sure we are accused g G The averse 8888,000;000 They have paid. off That was well known to everybody. Be said they were better trained in the art of agriculture, that they were better prepared in many ways to earn their own living. POLICY REGARDING Tilir INDIANS. Now, how much money has been expended by the Government upon the Indians for the last sixteen years in order to bring them up to the state of efficiency in whieh they are said to be at the present time ? No less a sum than $12,000,000. You would reasonably expect that with $12,000,000 spent on the edu• spent under that head, Now, that cation and instruction of the Indians during sixteen. years, they would be in a better position than they were eixtecn years ago. Now, Is the Government deserving of that credit ? Not at all. Then he went on to show that these schools of this country they were better con. were eondueted as economically as ducted than they aro to -day, and he possible. But it is known to every- administered that department with $618,000, whereas last year the ex- penditure upon ltfilitia was no less than $1,285,000, or an increase during that time of 170 per cent. CONDITION' Ob' TIII. tCII.iTIA. New, I ant not personally compe- tent to speak upon the efiicieney of the administration of our militia affairs, but I will give you the COMPARISON OF EXPENDITURES. Now,hon. gentlemen opposite have been veryanxious this year in their speeches, to draw comparisons be- tween expenditures under the Lib- eral administration and the corres- ponding expenditures under the Liberal -Conservative administration, and perhaps you will permit me tonight to give a few comparisons criticise this ex ends- on this point, which. hope hon.of dein so heart. oppositeawill take ' simply for the purpose of saving the heart. We will take comparisons eo e's raone ,and ifpossible re- in controllable expenditures under veop e s .money, t being placed the hands the two regimes. I have no doubt of inefficient gffilacs an zha to that any head f in departmentwo might give instruction to the militia force. get up here and, in a two and a half Let me pass to the expenditure of hours, speech, explain their extrava• twoeriods, 1878 and 1894, under game away, and sit down with the the head of legislation. Iri 1874 the belief that he bad justified such Mackenzie Government expended extravagance, as the hon. Minister of the Interior has done to -night. On $618,035 under this head, and the civil Government, in 1878, there was present so-called economical Govern - spent by the Hon. Alex. Mackenzie, . nicht expended in 1894, $608,000, or $822,000; in 1894, $1,402,000 were an increase of 13 per cent. MOUNTED POLICE. The expenditure for the Mounted istration, increased nearly 9 per Police was necessarily more required cent, while the population for the in 1873 than it is as the present time for there was greater danger to the people, yet the Mackenzie Govern- ment expended on that service $834,- 748, as compared with an expendi- ture by the present Government last year of $611,264, or an increase of 82 per cent. I hold that to be another extravagant expenditure that should be largely eut down. On public works, lion. Alexander Let me give yeti another 'form. of Mackenzie spent, in 1878, $998,000, eoniparfson, Mr. Speaker, The On. and certainly it cannot be said that trollable e;tpendituro in 1868 was lie allowed the Public Works De- $3,630,000. In 187.4, when the Con- dlartment to be eondueted in an servative party went out of power it eMeient manner. The present Gov- was $8,824,000, or an increase of 'but $185 for every pupil enrolled, %testimony ofa gentleman who under- eminent, however, for the purpose of 123 per tent. The Liberal party when we ran nnaintain grown up ; stands them thoroughly, and if his putting money in the pockets of eon- carne into power with that control] reel, well fed. and well el o led, int testimony is eorreet, there has beeni tractors, spent, in 1.834, $2,034,000, able expenditure of $6,542,000 or a is a controllable expenditure which they have increased during that time, 70 per cent. Then again, take the Department of Militia and De- fence. When the Hon. Alex. Mac* kenzie conducted. the Militia affairs one who has looked through the ;I,ecounts of the Indians affairs, as the hon. member for Wellington (Mr. McMullen) and I did this year, that there are some extraordinary ex- penditures, An expenditure of 9185 on the average for naclt pupil of those schools, is utterly extravagant, not $185 for the average attendance, sixteen years under . Conservative party, and under the benign influ- ence of the National Polley, as the manufacturers say, it only increased 18 per cent. These are faets which cannot be controverted and whieh go to show the extraordinary extra- vagance of the present Government as compared with the eeenonnie Gov- ernment of Alexander Mackenzie, � GI\IE5 a Lf l F`'' R E S H NEss .. i •:AND` *or L>✓A. �yfti@REs, • '� C : . r a Sys'? l N. S `�CON5�T1PAT, IIVDIG,C•+STtON Cl zi.i4Etss IO ERUPrfl• N5 aN T N e SK,i N. BEAUT(.FIES,t?-{i;oM L Til:o N• An Agreeable Laxative and NERVE TONIC. Sold by Druggists or sent by Mail. 25c., 50o., and 51.00 per package. Samples free. The Favorite TOOTH POWDER for the Teeth and Breath. 25e. KO 110 Sold at Chisholm's Corner Drug Store. ' Notwithstanding all that, the popu- lation of the United States in 1894 Leas 08I)00,0`:D, rind .they expended in 1892, *34.,0)00,000 or about K5 per capita as compared with our per capita expenditure in Canada of $7,50, l know what the Mance Minister said before in answer to this, and I know what he will say now, Ile asked, us, -do you not know that there are 'many payments made in Canada, for which there are no corresponding payments in the United States, Yes, Mr, Speaker, 1 know that. Isere are some of the c,tpendituros in Canada that the rect. oral Government of the dlnited States t do not ha%'c to meat jollaSsor rkekteumatism astd Muscular Pains aagairlele Why tlol' Cry C>lt S.. Menthol PIa8ter my wife got me one, ifeured like mekie. For a long time I suffered with Rheumatism io the link so severely that I could not even sit •:,raittttt. t1 wife advised a D. d.. L. Menthol t'U,sier. I tried it and was Boon going about all right, S. 0, }MOOR, Sweet's Corners. i'rkse 25o HALS T ED & SCOTT Josephine Street • - Winghatn, got. J. A. ifArsven, W. scot,, Arolint Forest, Ltstowe Deposits B. ooived and Interest allowed. Money Advanced to Farmers and Ttusizless Men, On Iatlg or short time, on endorsed notes o collateral security. Salo notes bought at a fair valuation. Money remitted to all earth of aanaaa at reasonable Charges, $pooiill Attention Given. to Col. looting A.oeounts and Notes. at pints iii Canada -•The Morobants' Bank Of Canada Office Hinall-,FrOM 9 a, m, to s p. al. A. E. SMIT13, A on I'iso's ternedy rut Catarrh is the nest, Eaatest 10 Ilse, rind Cheapest, C/\T/ R R 1-1 Sold by druggists or tent by snail, Ao. ht.Itaaentwaiwurten, I'*.