HomeMy WebLinkAboutThe Wingham Times, 1895-06-14, Page 2THE WIN(iIfAM nmEsi JUNE 14, 189 5.
THE BUD SET DEBATE.
INTERESTING SPEE4'U By DR. :tt:tl`-
hhkhtiALD.
. The following; Interesting speech
was delivered in the House of (Ami-
rante, during the budget debate, by
Dr. Macdonald, M. P. for East
Huron. The speeelt is taken from
the official Iiatts-trd report ;
Mr., 14iaedoi:ald t Huron). :lir.
f -ea• I ed wi'tit a
would protect one article .and not
the other. Does not the machinery
stand in the sante position as the
evade the gentleman is nhanufactur-
tug ? And if the removal of the duty
ou the machinery .wolt'.d reduce its
price, would not a reduction in the
duty on Portland cement also reduce
its price ? According to the hon.
gentleman, this protective tariff in
regard to certain articles has a eer-
duet to one class and reduces the ' as conscious that they are in error as
price of the product to another. The they are that they are living. We
lion. gentleman could not have 2011ace referred to as the party who,
sidered previously what he was go- . in past years, havefavored the policy
ing to lav, and therefore made the of commercial union, and hardly a
contradictory statements he did.', speaker upon the other side of the
Then, the hon. gentleman said that !louse but speaks of the Liberal
by the pulley of Liberals, under tate = party as believing in that policy.
iackenzie Administration, our I Now, I have challenged lion. tueni-
farnu rs were ruined by Amerfeaul I hers before, to quote one single state-
competiton. He said that a great merit wherein the Liberal party has
Min effect, and in regard to certain quantity of American wheat Caine in ever favored eommet•eial union, as
other artieles the direct opposite to compete with Canadian wheat and ; properly understood. Wo are op-
*, t d 1 1 t C i' posedtheprinciple
greatt
manufactured in Canada, we only of contradicting those false state,
imported $` (12• 000 worth,or, in : ntents made on public platfornl:�!"be-
tlie relation of about $1. to $20. Now, i fore the electorate. There was
the 4
during the existence c�.f the National: another statement Made at that
Polley,from.1879 to 1883,we imported ; meeting, and I want to give an op -
4`?, per cent of foreign goods to come: portunity to the parties making it to
in competition with C?anaditSn menu., contradict or acknowledge it, `!'here
facturers, From 1883 to 1888 we', were two parties who made the state -
imported. 45 per cent ; from 1888 to ment to which I refer, one party
1893, we imported 461 per cent. So; made it upon a nubile platform that
you see there were more foreign, evening, another party Made it. in
goods brought in to compels with � this Rause during the debate on the
Canadian manufactures under the Address. I notice that the bon.
National Pore * than under the gentleman who made it in this House
, .
deal of attentic'n to the re- effect. I would like to know from redeem, t r brace o ansa tart pro- - to in
the It°nmember why the Govern- ducers. Now, the bon. gentleman i tit policy ; we have repeatedly told revenue tariff. policy which existed ; is present to -night, and, as I under-
' under Hon, ,Alexander Mackenzie. ' stand ho is to follow me, I wish him
These figuresies show that this Lr u-1 to give his authority for ate-
ment is used for political purposes, 1 meat which lie has made in re -
to frighten the manufacturers and !forme to a leading member. oof our
others into supporting the National party. It was stated by the present
to be untrue. We are also said to Policy. I notice the lion. Minister of Secretary of State on that same
have changed our tapinions in reta.
Railways is busily talking, but, as I l evening that in 1$87 the Hon.
wish to refer to something• that he t Edward Blake was in perfect unisspn
said, I hope that he will give me his 1 with the protective system, that he
attention, and that, if I am wrong,, sent a circular to the manufacturers
or if I misrepresent him, ho will put I of Canada telling them that if he
ins right. He made a statement I was elected at the. coming eleetion,
during his tour westward with 1 e . he would not•in,terfoue with the pro-
pal.
ro -
Baird to the leader of the Opposition, 1 tective system. Now, I think it is
to which I desire to draw the atten- i right and just, in the interatists of
tion of the House. The report I! the Hon. Edward Blake, and in the
intend to read was taken from the I interest of the Liberal party, that
"Empire" newspaper, which sent a some evidence should be given that
special reporter to report the speeches I such was the case. 1 have before me
of these hon. gentlemen. - The hon.1 Mr. Blake's own words .in reference
gentleman made reference a few i to the National Policy, and the ex -
days ago to the same question, butt pression he made use of will go fair
he did not then charge the hon. i to contradict anything of that kind,
leader of the Opposition as he eharg- ( because he was not so inconsisterft
Marks f 1 mend ('1I . i on)
w 0 my
100. rreia( t. + . as
who leas just taken his seat. I �vaa i meat gives a rebate en the raw ma- . trust know, it' he studied the history ; the Liberal -Conservative party that
tenial that enter into the manufec- of that period, that the American i we never endorseerthat policy, and
,
aware when he got up that he was a
tune of certain articles in this wheat brought into Canada was n.lt sail, day after day, in the House and
vprotectionist
need, aft, . c he
am more than that eon -
country, such as agricultural imple brought in fur Canadian consumption, 1on the public platform, they continue
winced, aftc'� tat has sat const-. that so that those articles can be because we had wheat enough of our Ito at what they ought to know
he is an ultra protectionist. IIs nhcnt"
A - own and exported large quantities =
scugltt to prove at the beginning of = sold to outside countries more cheap , 1
his s llee eta that protection was very ? ly than they can be sold in Canada, besides. It was • imported, in the
largely in the interest of the faint -AI if the application of the duty does , first place, to mix with our wheat:
ingcommunity. It is evident front not increase the price ? The !hon. • W e had not Manitoba wheat then,
get tleman also said that the keen and had to get Our hard wheat from
theoafrmestatementshe f made that he e` I competition between the manuf'ac-' the United States, which, mixed with
not a farmer hiiu�cl. that be doe.
not snake his mc•ney on the farm, { turers in Canada so reduced prices Canadian wheat, made a better fionr,
but be:dnd the desk. I assure you, i that they actually sold their produc- i and enabled us to realize a better
MrS ,eaker that if he were a j tions at a lower price than they !price in the English market. Then,
f armer under the National! I . l ' ,olicy- he could if the duty was not on at all. !in the second place, Canadian dealers
f;
would not state that the National'' Nov, I would ask the hon. gentle -;found it profitable to bay wheat in
Policy had ever put a dollar into his o main, is not coal oil manufactured in ' the Western States and ship it across
I this country : And when the dutyour country to the En ;lish market.
pocket. It is one thing to have pro- : '
teetion on the statute -book of the I was reduced on coal oil, what was : This was of great advantage to the
country ; it is another thing to have'the result? The result was a retitle- carrying trade of Canada, to our
protection that will benefit the i tion in the Canadian market ' of steamers and railway companies and
farmer financially. It is impossible, i several cents per gallon.; and if the ;the thousands of people employed in
in my opinion, to .protect the farmer duty did not raise the price, the re- transporting this wheat from the west
in any article that he has to sell in ; trioval of the duty would not reduce to the east. These people are now,
foreign countries in open competition it, 'as the hon. member for North Grey
with similar articles from every otherl Mr. Masson. When was the price (gr. Masson) admits, out of =play-
pen of the world ; because it is a reduced ? ment, because that wheat which was
well-known principle in political I Mr. Macdonald (Huron). One year formerly transported across Canada
economy that the price of the ex - ago• And the price fell from 18 to .by Canadian steamers and other
ported article in the markets of' the ;12 rents for second-class Canadian means of trap p ,rtatio , employing
world determines the price of that ` coal oil. d 11 to
d
article in the coal ery from which it 1 ' .i
tion to reciprocity with the United
States. I deny that there is any
change in the Liberal party with
regard to that spibjeet. We are
as much in favor. of reciprocity,
based upon equitable principles, as
we ever were. At ,;the same time, I
do not think that the sentiment on
this subject in the United States is
as.favorable as it was some years
ago. But if the Government in
power now, and in power at that
time had been as conscientious in
their efforts to obtain reciprocity as
they sought to have the people be-
lieve, we should have obtained re-
ciprocity, greatly to the benefit of
the people of this country. Gentle-
men opposite are aware that, during
the last general elections, they bad
to announce themselves, in the east-
ern provinces especially, as strongly
favorable to reciprocity, or they
would never have received the votes
that they did. The fences and walls
throughout the country were placard-
ed hilt in the country, behind his
back, where there were no oppor-
tunity given the leader to answer
him, nor was any other person given
the opportunity. Speaking of the
Interprovincial conference which
proposed an increase in the subsidies
as to say to one party that he would
support the National Policy, while
he condemned it so vigorously befo'fe
the other. The Hon. Edward Blake
did say in 1887 that on account of
the corruption and extraordinary
extravagance of the present Govern -
o£ the provinces, the other day, he ment, there were liabilities lying
1Ii' �i,i n The reduction of through American ports, an a e
labor 1 d that used these words: upon the people of this country that
of this House, if he reads the political 'removed. at
economyof any great author, wi11 i Mr. Macdonald (Huron). No, sir. that instead of the .exclusion of Am,Liberal Conservative party* and re- u,r�,o,'and 1 willjustanalyse esome oflthe
the party coming into power, to cut
a g Did the hon. gentleman know that erican wheat being an advantage, it ciprocity. For thisreason, it comes demands of that conference. The leader
come to any- outer conclusion. If we ' that tariff down so low as he would
•' binding -twine was na faetured at is a decided disadvantage to Canada. with very lead grace from gentlemen of the Opposition is bound in a sense by 1
comes. Ido not think any member ; Arice took place before the duty was a of employed ni demand a high tariff, and that it
belongs to the American Union. do ed with these words : "Vote for the We remember that there was an inter- 11 b impossible f him or for
business
have a surplus .if wheat and send. itIn 1878, while we imported onl *my
to the English market, the price we several points in the country, and 1,500,000 bushels of wheat from our opinions. say These cent! men have that conference, because one of hon.
that when the dut was reducedfriends the other day read a letter from incidental protection would be, of
obtain for it will fix the price for kp i;Mr.:u'ercier, then the leader of the Quebec necessity, pretty high. But, to say
every Bushel of wheat sold to the from;25 per cent to 1`l per cent the the United States, we exported changed their opinions, but the Government, in which he stated, it I am that he was in favour of a protective
Canadian people for home consmup- price fell one cent per pound. If 1,000,000 bushels, showing that the Liberal party is of the same opinion
tion, and all the protection now -on ! the duty had not enhanced the price, import was not for. home consamp- as before. There is another point.
our statute -book would not increase `how is it the price came down when tion. Then, we have been told in 1 suppose, as usual, these loyal men
the price to the Canadian farmer the duty was removed? Does the this debate that the National Policy will say that the Liberal party are
one-tenth of a cent per bushel. And hon• gentleman know that salt was was stimulating the production of decrying their conttry because we
what is true of' wheat is true of every higher a few years ago, and that the Pork products, and that we were point out the effects of the present
other article produced by the farmer Government believed that the im- now exporting a gireat deal more fiscal policy, upon the interests of the
of Canada and exported to foreign Position of the duty!, had increased.. than at any former period. We country. In doing so, we do not
countries ; and I do not think- there • the price to the Canadian farmers ? have been told that, while in 1889 decry the country, but we show that
is a single„ individual on the other - The Government cut the duty- in we exported about 1,000,000 pounds adifferent policy would have a
side of the Hoose who will rise There two, and what was the result? The of pork, ham, sides and lard, in 1894 different effect, and one much more
and say distinctly that such is notthe price came down ,,,rn? the Canadian we exported 20,000,000 pounds of beneficial to the people. We are
fact. If protection would afford a market. But,,ulie hon. gentleman those articles, and therefore these told by some of these gentlemen
higher price in this country for wheat, maintains t se •the duty has an in- hon. gentlemen drew the conclusion
why, instead of having 15 cents, a fluence y in cheapening the prices that the National Policy had been of
bushel it, dowenotput the dutyit icy Canadian m. ket of Canadian great benefit to this industry. But
to50 on 1 what is the real reason for this in -part of the country. But others on the audience whom 11e was address -
to cents or 60 cents a bushel+manufactures. If that be so, it
so as to give the fern a -' foci a would be .in the interests of the crease ? Will the bon. gentleman, that side of the House tell us that ing, that Mr. Laurier, in this House,
there is a depression in trade; in had stated that if he came into power
he would agree to increase the sub-
sidies to the provinces to the amount
of two millions dollars. Now, lest I
misrepresent him, I will read the re
port of the "Empire" on the subject :
I asked Mr. Laurier about this in the
House, of Commons, and bis answer to me,
in the presence of Parliament, was that lie
would carry out those resolutions. Now,
what would be the result? The result
would be that the expenditure would be in-
creased by two million dollars.
Of course. his friends cheered.
But none of Mr. Laurier's friends have
been saying that this is not his policy. As
I have shown you, undoubtedly it is his
policy.
Why did not the hon. gentleman Money Advanced to Farmers and
ike to see it and therefore, the
not mistaken—at least the statement has
never been denied in this Rouse—that if
the leader of the Opposition got into power,
he would carry out the pledge made by Mr.
Mercier during the election, and give in- 0 ini0ll Of the National Policy was:
creased subsidies to the provinces. The A
result of fulfilling that promise will be to Its real tendency has been towards
increase the subsidies to the different pro- disintergration and annexation.
vinces to the extent of $1,721,470. No matter how much you may dis-
Then he goes on : agree with the Hon. Edward Blake,
Now, if this is the policy of the leader of you cannot charge him with being
the Opposition, or of the Liberai party, we opposed to the interests of his own
want to know it, and this is the time for COuritr with a desire to break
them to speak. y',up
Now; when he was out west, confederation, a work in which he
was himself engaged in bringing
about, and to unite this country with
the great republic to the south of us.
But the Hon. Edward Blake said
more about the National Policy:
It has left us with a small population, a
scanty immigration and a North-west
empty still.
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policy is a slander upon him. Now,
Mr. Speaker, 1 want you to hear
what the Hon. Edward Blake's
that the country 1s prosperous—pros- speaking to the electorate of Canada,
perous from the Atlantic to the Paci- he was not doubtful as to what that
fic, not a word of discontent in any policy was. He stated distinctly to
iii • �country to increase the duties as oho has conscientions convictions
for his wheat tilanlrlx,,,is� getting
at the present tiind? If, on the much as possible and put as much and political morality, standup and
other hand, protection does not money in the public treasury as pox- say that the protective duty imposed
increase the prce to the farrier, why sible. The Finance Minister, a few in 1889 is the cause ? Do not hon.
do you mock him by telling him that years ago, in his place in this House, gentlemen know that our farmers
lie receives benefit from the Nati__ i • told us he Nvas going to remove have gone into hog -raising because
Policy, while his protection is only 3,500,000 of duties or burdens from they find it more profitable to feed
on the statute -book, and not in the the shoulders of the Canadian people. their grains to their hogs than to sell we are here for the purpose of point -
reality ? The hon. gentleman said By one stroke of the pen, he said, I it in the open markets ?They went ing out that that depression arises
also that protection actually decrees- am going to do it. I am going, he more into live stock simply because largely from the policy adopted and
ed rather than increased the price of said, to remove the duties upon of the low price of other articles. continued by those in power. Now,
articles muaufactured in this country. sugar. Now, if this burden of They can snake a better profit by Mr. Speaker, we are told upon the
Did you ever in your life hear such $3,500,000 had not been upon the raising live stock in the form of hogs public platform that the policy
a doctrine stated before ? Why is it shoulders of the Canadian people, than by selling their grain by the adopted and carried out by the Hon.
that the manufaeturers of this country , the Finance Minister could not have hashel. To shoat the fallacy of the Alexander Mackenzie, - when at
are so strongly in favor of protection • removed it by one stroke of the pen. argument that the'i National Policy bead of the Liberal party, so exposed
if they do not know that they are ` Mr. Masson. Does the hon. gentle- is the cause of increase of export of the markets of this country to com-
going to receive a benefit from it in man pretend that the duty 0n raw pork, let me give you another fact petition from the United States that
increased prices :P The hon. gentle- , sugar was protective'? taken from a former period of Cana- our farmers and manufacturers had
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fact,, a declaration was put into the
mouth of His Excellency the Gover-
nor General in the speech he made
from the Tnrone at the opening of
Parliament, to the effect that there is
a depression in the country. And
man read a letter from the president' Mr. Macdonald.. (Huron). I am tars its ry. r
of a company who manufacture what speaking of refined sugar which was we exported 85,750,000 pounds of
they call Portland cement in the - mostly refined in f anada. At that p° ;k, hams, bacon and lard, From
om
1$69 to 1891 under the fnfiuenee of
no chance to get on. Now, if we
look at the facts and figures given
us in official documents, we find that
town trent which be comes, namely, time the duty was eight -tenths of a • this statement is only made for
per Owen Sound. That gentleman is 'cent lpound,suet when that was our National Policy, we exported political purposes, and contains no
said to have been a Liberal at one I reduced. o 65 one -hundredths of a
only 52,200,000 pounds. Now, if truth whatever. I have before me
time, and 1 sti 1 x sed .he changed his ;cent perpound the reined in the National Polley is to be credited a statement which will show the
11 b sugarwith this large export froth 1889 to truth of what 'I say.In 1877 we
opinion because he found that there; the Canadian market fell correspond -
1894, by a parity of reason we must imported from foreign countries only
was more money for hint in the ingly. Here was: an article manu• credit the revenue tariff witli'tlii',.;41 worth of furniture for every $13
National Policy than there would be , factured or refined. in this country, still Larger exports from 1874 to worth manufactured in Canada.
in the absence of protective duties ' and yet when the duty was reduced
1878. But, Mr. Speaker, neither imported only $1 worth of cox
-
on Portland cement. That gentle to the extent of fifteen -hundredths the National Policy nor the revenue riages for $5.2 worth we lnanttfactur-
send
man sends a letter to the hon. mem- : of a cent per pound; the price fell in tariff had anything to do twilh it. ed in Canada. Iii clothing, we Em-
ber for North (.,ret. (Mr. Masson) "the Canadian market, thus disprov- But hon. gentlemen opposite are so ported. $1 worth for $57 worth
asking; for some changes in the duties ? ing the argument of my hon. friend.
l burden 1 C anxious to bolster up the National manufactured here ; in spikes, nails,
LT®&SCOTT
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Josephine Street • - W!ighanl, ►lnt,
J. A. limorRD, I J. NV. Scorn,
Mount Forest. Listowo
Deposits Received and Interest,-
allowed.
nterest
allowed.
have suffieient_moral courage to re-
peat the words that {he used on a
public platform in the west, before
the hon. leader of the Oppositian in
this House, and give him an oppor-
tunity to contradict or acknowledge
the statement ?
Mr. Haggart. Did the hon. gentle-
man hear me say that?
:lir. Macdonald (Huron). I did.
Mr. Haggart. - I 'never said it.
Mr. Macdonald (Huron). Well, if
you say that this report is not correct,
of course, that is your affair. I have
this advantage of you to -night, that
a in own
this report was made yourpaper by one of 3*our friends, and
on articles used in the manufacture; Now, the ur en gals on the ants- I heard you say it thyself. So you fry
I'°trey tbRt they willgrasp at straivs tacks Rnd other manufactures of sec, there are two against one. rlalr,1seem w have fried
artieles ate not increased tit price by total amount exacted was a good ,, €, , ported to a10 ;lir. Haggart. •Hell, X r. Speaker , ever fhtn air,! ee m d ave tr
Business Men,
On long or short time, on endorsed notes
or collateral security. Sale notes bought ,
at a fair valuation. Money remitted to all
parts.of Canada at reasonable charges.
Special Attention Given to Col-
lecting Accounts and Notes.
Agents in Canada- The Merchants' Banti;
of Canada
°Rich Hours—From 0 n. 0. to G t�. m.
A. E. SMITE,
A en .
Doctor. What isited
;i- Porcleansigthe Scalp and
of Portland cement. Now, if those i dian people for many years. The and snake arguments of which a that hind 1 worth im
i 'It' b • the protective l t very slight examination shows then worth manufactured here; in boots all that 1 can say is that I never Y and am
It bona„ six o'clock, the ypea .er mentioned try public speakers and be never answered at and I never best Ilii is PA1.MI0'1 M SOAP
he asking the Government to reduce I Speaker, in the face of those facts, p left the ch lir b to ' ' 0
the Untie:., to the Irian who
1S !!loon- mane tn1 lops y rc pro ee ivc, c u y
i g fallacy. 1 and shoes ---which were particularly asked ':lir, Laurier the question ane!
factoring Portland cement, why is en refined sugar. And yet, Mr. ,. g . • ,
Why Mrs R% the very
the duties upon thein, so that the can I there are gentlemen here who will `
use them as raw materials? If that + get up at this late !tour and at this
is true with rei.;ard to the ratyniater-1 late period of the nineteenth century,
ial, why is it not equally trite in andsin the broad daylight, make
regard to the finished article.? fallacious statements such as those
Mr. Masson. What lie asked for i we have listened to. I would ask
was a' rebate reit certain machiner'y, the hon. gentleman if the protective
on the gii'ottnd that it was similar to duty increases the price to the farm.
Mining machinery. , f ers, how can it at the same time
Mr. Macdonald (1lurotr). I wonder, reduce the price to the manufacturer?
Mr. Speaker, at the hon. gentleman l It must be a very peculiar policy
in makingSuch a statement. Ite which increases the price of a pro -
,
i AMR, ItI.CES�;.
Mr. Macdonald (Huron). In rising
to continue my remarks, I beg leave I IYere • in saddlery and harness $i
to refer further to the arguments ,, ' on my- part, to answer it then. But
used this afternoon. The hon, imported to 7S! manufactured; in he did make the statement, and 1
gentleman was kind enough to other goods of all kinds, $1 to 26 ; heard it, and this is the report in the
speak of the Liberal party as the in woollen goods, 1 to' $17 ; in ,,Empire,, of the next day. But if
` party of many policies. Now, lir. machinery of all kinds, $1 to µ27 ; he did say it ----and he did so ---he
agricultural implements, $1 to $14. should have the manliness to repeat
Speaker, this is not the first time . `P
that I have heard :such remarks, and, And out of fourteen leading articles, it here so that the leader of the Op -
`the gentlemen who snake theta are representing a total of$73,263,000 position could have an opportunity
hon. members as an item in which said se. itis splendid forWashi
the American competition was parti- Mr. Macdonald (Huron). I knew
eularly severe—WO itnported �$1 he never. asked Mr. Laurier at the the head iYptevenis dryneg3
time, but there was no opportunity, thus puts art end to Dandruff'
and Feeshens the hair nicely.
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