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HomeMy WebLinkAboutThe Huron Expositor, 1975-02-13, Page 16, .0 4xP0§1TORr FESRUARY 1, 1076 or, rugmtpiscuss-'r. o townships have a community of oundi6r ea, fro tit»ted f;stn Page 3a) Mr. Riddell: Point of privilege, what is an extrefnely difficult and only opposed on the basis of during that ga icular• discussion, proposed changes and 1 was Mr. Gaunt: A!1 right. What is F Y Mt. Speaker. vex sensitive task. For that I" workload that will be added to the there were four people who asked agree;tble to making J•iurgn ., the solution? There is a solution. interst with Goderich, which ig ippon 2fid"onish my friend from Mr. Speaker- Point of privi- want to congratulate them, present provincial members,The questions about the boundary county one riditrg? That certainly There h1s.to be a so on. I think already in Huron, and so It makes 1 1 dl sex South this afternoon to lege. ` Mr. Gaunt: After the series of, protest � is not a case oif"being changes and about the general wasn't the case at all. The whole/ there is dere. It rfiay not be sense to make that cltange.Tfiat gel his facts,straight. I would like Mr. Riddell: )!inciter made that speeches In defence of making against . any municipality, but circumstances ' surrounding the discussion didn't even alive any entirely satisfaytory toe veryone..',; would give Horan a population of e, huwto recall also that it might be, statement to he count . council. 1 ust over 40,Ot)0; Huron -Bruce, 1, Y Middlesex, count a single -unit rim 1 a matter of work involved proposed changes. I can recall remote resemblance to .that it is not entirety satisfactory -to j wi§e for `him to et his facts Y g `• P,� 48,978; and Grey -Bruce', 4t3rb73. 1.would invite. my bon., friend to ruralr•iding, and particularly after in conducting business of Huron• them well, and I am surc,ihat the particular constructibn which• has': me. But I think it might be the y� straight as we 1. come with me to a county $p'inoii the unwarranted and unnecessary Bruce and -Huron county. member for Huron can recall been attributed to it by fire, best that can -be achieved under All are acceptable when one 1�Ir. Riddell: n a point of v considers that there are meetin and we will thrash it out attack b ' the Minister � of One must bear in ,mi d that them too. minister. the circumsta ces. 1 mentioned ' personal privilege then, Mr. g••••-' Y " somethin like 11 ridin s,' I there. ,Agriculture and Food 'on my when a second, t fourth There were two questions Mr. W. Ferrier (Cochrane earlier that can :.certain! g ` g Speaker,, I'm being accused. of Mr, R.F. Nixon: That is the colleague, the member for Hurons r county becomes involved •►n one posed by a county council South): It sou3ids like the minister understand. and, app eeiate why believe, in the province under something ttich I am certainty solution. J decided to enter she debate in riding, this adds a considerable member, and it was the same nem a few better spites. eh? Middlesex county wants to be a 50,000 —Renfrew South, 49,171; ttcft .responsible for. 1 Hon, Mr. Stewart: I haven't defence of m colleague and to , amount of res onsibilit on a count council me ber who M( r�nt; That's ri ht. separate provincial riding". 1 Fronten�c Addington, 48,414; Mr.. Sargent: Right. Y g responsibility Y In S " S'' p p g1 Lincoln, 48,410; ' Stormont, any Motion of going to Huron put a few facts on the record, particular member. it is"only failr, happened to phone the Minister ''Mr. Ferrier: The ones, that he" ,• hderstand that. I know about it. Mr. Riddell. The letter 1 undas and Glengarry, 47,781; county council. • My hon. friend which I hope will clarify the to say a member of Parliament of Agriculture. One doesn't need has misled him. If' 1 could be presumptuous received from Mr. • cCool said - was there and I have hi$ stories. I situation.. . can -•only ,represent a reasonable to be A,Perfy Mason to figure that. Mr. Gaunt: `I'll tell you why, � hough, I would suggest that rieton-Grenville, 46,423; and I' quote: also have the stories that 1 am also quick to point out that Aumber of constituents in any one out.The questions which were Mr. Speaker. I'll tell y ou why this three ridings roughly 75,000 each Vic ia-Haliburton, ' 45,722; Further to corres ndence appeared in the press. i want to make a few remarks in given area. posed to my colleague from happened, I didn't want to put be created within the city, of Lambton, 43;880; Lanark', 42,259; which we have received• om Mr. Roy: Get out of the, defence of maintaining 'Huran-" We, in the rural areas, require Huron were these: this on the record, but the London and that Middlesex be a Prince Edward -Lennox, 41,494; various interested parties with kitchen. Bruce 'as a provincial tiding, strong repr esentati at Queen's First of all, this gentleman *Minister of Agriculture has left separate riding except for Parry Sound, 40,017; and respect to the electoral district of Hon: Mr. Stewart: As a matter because the survival instinct in all Park and one step t ensure this asked my-, friend from Huron: me with no, choice.•1 think that the . McGillivray and Biddulph ' Muskoka 31,9 8, Perth, as announced on June,. 8 of fact, one of the county of us, is very prominent, SMr, . representation is to have a "'Have.fhere been any complaints commission should•be aware of it townships which could go into Mr. Gaunt: if the population the commissioners have been I - g ;3 F p Y Y Y p figures for the three ridings of Maki a councillors left the chamber and Speaker. representative servirt' compact or, representations made b and I want to tell you why. The Huron. There is a precedent for g g ng'. tentative plans for a called my'home immediatety'after Mr.Gaunt: If Middlesex and area, •Therefore, executive , Middlesex a my or •its members fact of the !natter is that this that in that those tNvo townships Huron. Huron -Bruce and Grey rearrangement of the boundaries, he made the statement.., Now he Huron counties were. created as committee recommends to Huron in referen to the proposed particular gentleman is very are part of the Huron federal Bruce are not sat/ actory— then 'You will understand, of course, ,can deny it if he wishes- separate provincial ridings , county council that a letter g� changes? highlyk motivated politically. riding. I'm sure that no one, I think the -commission has no that the map which 1 enclose has Mr, R. F. Ruston (Essex Ke t): following the county bt5undaries� forward to to , appropriate My colleague said— and I was He's interested in getting into the particularly on chat side of the other chgice but also to adjust no official status, but the commis- Did the ' inister tell him he is of -each, that could mean that authorities, requesting the sitting right behind him — "I provincial arena. Specifically, he House, would say that those these ridings I've mentioned, cion rs would be pleased to have wrong. ' - Huron -Bruce would Oisappear. proposed boundaries of both don't know. I'm not aware of wants to run against my friend townships are poorly represented most of which are in eastern - you/ comments on the sketch her Mr, R.F.Nixon: Whydoesn't. Ontario and some, of which are The riding was created by a ridings be reconsidered as ,any." if the minister, 05 if the from.Huron. but h� doesn't want federally. They � are well provided: , the minister run again? We will redistribution under Bill 125, follows: member of council construes that tcrrun against him if .Middlesex is represented, federally. abutting, Mr. Speaker, here is lite sketch, "'s'ettie it then.' back in 1933, 1 believe. Since that (a) Huron -Bruce riding -the to mean that those changes were part of the riding of Huron, Mr: Eaton: That's right. An hontmembe.r: All of which which they pr vided me and Hon. Mr. Stewart: He asked time it has been enlarged once. It return of, the mea from amenable to the Ministgr of because he's not very well khown Gaunt: My friend from are Conservative represented. which ws the st indication that V- me about it right then and there: is,, therefore, a rather historic Wellington county to Wellington Agriculture and Food and to the down in Middaesex and his Middlesex South agrees. That Mr: -MacDonald: That's a good ` had that the wanted to includ * Mr, Roy: The minister is a bit rural riding. It is one of perhaps county. Since our present member for Middlesex South chances of winning are very would leave Middlesex with a suggestion• i five townsh's of North Middle- of a cry-baby. five or'six ridings in the province member• is., already serving a then we're just not talking the remote. He is fairly well known in riding population of Mr. Gaunt:, if the commission sex in th Huron riding Hon. Mr. Stewart: Now, Mr. that can >be con'sidered strictly portion of Bruce county it would same language yet. %know the the county of Huron, and while in approximately 55.119, which is takes that 'view, then I'm -quite MrR' deli: 1 simply. sent a'' Speaker, let roe say this, that if rural, Leith no urban municipal/ appear reasonable to accept the member for Middle South my view he wduldnt stand any quite acceptable. That's quite prepared to see the population lett ack to Mr. McCool dated there is to be any real problem ties with a population of over addition of the township of Brant didn"t mention that, but the chance of beating my friend from acceptable. figures adjusted in the three August Ib: •ridin s I've mentioned including g W here- w a ke t Minister Agriculture F u w 1' g re - •3,500. Well, this isn't sufficient to and the town of I t; on. M m ter of gricultur and Foo d Huron, rn..his v m sure that •An hon. member: It meets the g Dear Mr, McCool: An hon. member: No Berry- justify its continuance. I think it is (b) ' Huron riiding: . The certainly did. because he said he. .he thinks I.- of k stand a much criteria. my own. But until the commission 1 wish to acknowledge your mandering. a factor, provided the riding can exet:utive committee recommends received a ;phone'_call, • if the better chance than he would if he Mr.Gaunt: All right, let's come is prepared to grapple with that tetter of Aug. 8 regarding Penta- interjections by hon. members. meet the 'other criteria the former Huron -Perth boundary • member of county council an`'h the were running in Huron- to Huron: Fond let's talk about p5'oblem, then I sec nothing l tive plans of•theOntario electoral Mr: Speaker: Order please. established by the House and be re -established; -secondly, that Minister of. Agriculture and Food Middlesex.' Huron. My suggestion is that we' wrong with the creation of the boundaries commission `�F The hon. minister will continue which were applied by the the southern boundary of interpret those words as meaning An hon, member: Not a chance. return everything to Huron as it ridings live suggested. rearrangerrtera of the boundaries.~ with the debate. Including parts of North Mldille- commission. Huron riding be extended to that the minister was amenable to Mr. Gaunt: That's why this was previously. That is In summary, Mr.Speaker. 1 Mr. Bullbroak: The important There is, therefore, a include the same area as our ' theproposed changes then I think particular event -transpired, I'm Tuckersmiih township, the town hope that these comments have -sex with Huron makes abundantly thin;gg in - Middlesex is the considerable concern on my part present federal riding of . someone should go back to school ore. There's not a doubt tri the of SGaforth and Hullett and been helpful to the commission. I 7 good sense in my opinign as ,the . bolaries. Never mind , the as 'to the ripple effect of 'creating Huron -Middlesex. and,leaern the Englis„t� language, orld about it. McKillop townships. Those would hope that . the commission can move closely approximates the, 'a olntment, never mind infla • existing federal boundary which �P Middlesex county as a district.and ('c) In conclusion, therefore, the because it certainly can't be Mr. Gaunt: The minister, in � be returned. Add Biddulph and consider the comments I have tion•, get to the .most 'important a separate provincial riding. I can executive committee recommends construed trom the comments effect, has become the political McGillivray from N iddlesex, and made as well as the comments / onstitucnts have become accost thing. understand why the. Middlesex that Huron, county council th"at were made by the member handmaiden of that\ particular Colborne and Ashfield townships' that other members have made in tomed to; and apart from this, the Mr. Riddell: r. Speaker, townships in Middlesex North � Pe citizens feel the way they do. It is forward a letter of protest in this for Huron. gentleman in this. 'Hquse.The"':'from Hu o Bruce. These two this particular debate. would the ministerlame the chap perfectly natural and in many onneetion to the proposed Then I was asked by the sante commission is independent, have much more in common in 'who honed him? g Y county must respects with townships in p ways quite I'm going to redistribution of provinetat county council member: ' "What -objective and fair. They brought .. ,. .•... Hon... Mr. Stewart: No, 1 ' come back to that in just, a ridings 'for this area. would you think of Huron coun m their report, not only to Huron. than Perth county Haven't any notion,of naming•the moment. 'This was endorsed b th Huron beingput into one riding?" I maintain Huron -Bruce but to townships. y ' it ' ARNOLD STINNiSSEN Mr. R. G Eaton • (Middlesex chap• What I can't understand is the county council unanimou ly with replied: "That's a possibility..ln extend it. The minister has i Mr. Riddell: The minister is Minister of Agriculture and one exception, the deputy reeve that event, one of us would have unwittingly forced the �i South): That is the member's 111FE --- HEA.ILTH and ACCIDENT t, chicken. Food's defence of the proposition. , ' of Goderich, who said that he to go." Then they sof t of"laughed commission into aposition where y opigio not the townships' Mr..T.P. Reid (Rainy River)0 He first of all makes the point that didn't want to endorse it because and we went on. Then he said: "If if the commission did at this point — Registered Retirement Pensions — opinion. I ' Ineorne Tax Deductible Registered P The minister is misleading the the people of Middlesex county that meant county council was that were proposed would y ou change Huron into one riding it •`Nr - ' Mr. Ri r To continue; • Retirement Annuities.. •'w••� t House. want it that way — the reeves, the injecting itself into provincial oppose it?," 1 said; "if county would be seen as being politically " With i 'bbert township ^ " '" — REPRESENTING. —, L interjections by hon. members. federation, the citizens and so on. politics, and he didn't think that 'council wants it, l,,_ rr•ouldn't .motivated; and that's called includeo,,threo' it means i represent Mr. S e'aker. Order lease., That's fine; well. and prop pp at y g y g. y parts counties, ,being p P good; no was ro er. Other than that it was oppose it."Tit 's the way it was. err manderin 'Sun Life Assurance Company Huron, Middlesex 'and Perth, Hon. Mr. Stewart: Well, Mr. problem. Then he goes on o say unanimous. Coutrty council obviously didn't , An hon, member: He'11'lose the. Of Canada Speaker, I am quite prepared to that,,because of some. perversion Mr.R.S.Smith (Nipissing);: The want it, or at least they certainly turkey vote. T PONE: 627-0410 which entails a much heavier �'E workload, but'tl am prepared to name him, It is the current of my colleague, the member for Minister of, Ariculture . was " didn't say -so in their resolution Mr. Gaunt: The commission is 1 f17 GOD�RICH ST. EAST — SEAFORTH ' meet the challenge. P 1 would warden of Huron county, bhp, • Huron (Mr. Riddell), he's trying misleading the House then? ' which they forwarded to the. too smart and independent fd`b ° On% soft 001111111111 ORim t went out of the room and called to take, over part of Middlesex Mr. Gaunt: Yes, he was; a4 redistribution commission. drawn into that kind'of'aituation. - IP suggest, however, that Perth me directly and said, "Is it. county: am going to come to that. I am So I think, Mr.Speaker, this There is, another aspect of the �•� �+ county council would like to have ?.. R a E . XPOS 'AOR CLASSIFIED right. And if the members want Mr..Gaunt; Some members of stkre,be.did.jt. unwittingly. raises several questions, position of the Minister' of Lf"„ ind u$. ,,:+r �, Hibbert stay within; the boundary to read it, there it is right there.' the Huron county council and Mr. Breithaupt- He didf it, ' several seripus-questions— Agriculture •aehd Food that I find of the Perth constituency. o, I would be agreeable. : as that Hon. Mr. Winkler: Swallow that boys; that others, according to the Minister wittingly or -'unwittingly. Mr: J,E.Bullbrook(Sarnia): He That I'm prepared to d'eal,with. The curious. He's the ,one man in lite 'Davis' would mean that my res onsibili- P one, swallow one. of Agriculture and Food,' are Intcrjcctiorls by hon. members..' question has to be why? Why government • who is 'for -••- tics would rest within two Hon. qtr. Stewart: There it is ' pcomotirig the idea of making has no capacity to do it wittingly. did this happen? Why did this supposed to' fig)i't agriculture counties rather than three. I wish right there' , Injections by hon. members. Huron. county a single provincial would. ' in Mr. Gaunt: That was sent t the Aug. 12 member of county councii — and 1 know it and the farmers. he has said ore it's to thank you for the opportunity to ” Mr. Bulibrook: is he paving is riding which assist commission on an • who was„t: w•ithout� - numerous' occasions that. very express my opinion on the matter. Mr. W' alker: The member for Huron should retract. creating Middtesex�as a single My was forwarded to Mr: Brian' McCool, 'to oubt= ask those "questions, f important for farmers to have a Mr. Speaker, this clearly shows whole farm?- , Hop. Mr. Stewart: I simply ask provincial riding unit. - secretary , the " su rt that,resolutioit by his vote strong organization because they that 1 ti as asked for my comments Hon. Mr. Stewart: Now, Mr. Speaker. 1 understand my friends colleague, the member for Huron, dealt the first commission, on the sam date. ]t was acknowledged Mr. and consent and then apparently Writ to the don't have the :strong political they had. ' Rural and Ig' comments. What- arc they so touchy about putting with question on around, according clout once ever t res picked up from that are greatly exercised over there. Tuesday'"night last, but I want to McCool on Aug, 19. ,Minister of AGriculture, and in a-,, representation is slipping away as • eir and not mine. But you know, Mr. Speaker, I , list i by-elec- deal with the second point for 1 ask you, Mr.Speaker, does - 'rather sneaky and surreptitious we become more urbanized. Yet Mr. R F Nixon (Leader of the ned all through the moment. that sound like Huron county manner slip off and phone the who is •recommending the Opposition): Answer. that. tion to my friends over there, and I did some checking after 'I council wanted Huron county as minister's home and say that the disappearance of a rural riding?A Mr. Speaker: I think the hon. Member had a right to correct an� articutary the h9n. member for on. ; i listaned my friend, the member for. Middle ex North, and I am one provincial riding? Hardly. At that particular meeting, and member for -Huron said the minister was agreeable to 'the The Minister of Agriculture and Food. ' wrong impression which mi •lit have been minis Mr. orlon:. yrThe mini ter, is still fighting that b'y election. told that H ron county council has ,never been in the pq /tion r.., 1P I MAT RI LS" given the hon. Yes, he couldn't take it. where it, formally or informally, "EVERYTHING IN BUILDING ter. Intcrjcctiorls by hon. members..' discussed the matter of making Then. before county council Mr. Sargent: Sure c did. Mr. Roy: We will accept the Hon. Mr, Stewart: Mr. Huron county one provincial �. ministe'r's aplogy now. ,Speaker. surely my on frnds rtding. Redistribution 'was' interjections by hon, members.' • Hon. Mr. Stewart: Mr.. will -allow me to make a pr nta- • tion on a ver important ma er. y p discussed by Huron codn.ty •. council 'at a special August Y �. Speaker,'. nlluralty , i am most Mr. Bulibrook: is he paving is session to discuss the Mui stating that 1. was prepared fib, go delighted to hear that explanation from my hon. friend. whole farm? Is that true, ' is that ?rd re ort. The member for Hu )n P�All respecting the integrity 'of the Hon. Mr, Siewart: As far as we rumour true? He is paving his ' and myself were present -at at that - �� are concerned, 1 -find it interesting to have observed in print. and to whole farm?- , Hop. Mr. Stewart: I simply ask meeting. And i want to give you what I consider to be an Contra' dors Of� 111Aodern Farm Buildings' # have had at least several mem-are friends over there, why absolutely accurate acc'Ant of bers of Huron 'county council tell, arc they so touchy about putting what happened, Mr. Speaker. me that the hon: member for the great riding of Huron together First of all, the meeting was Huron had discussion with county council concerning the proposed ' when of course they were so interested' in municipal boundariesduririthe by-election g Y" called to discuss the Mustard report. There wee officials there from the Ministry of Health. F� R FREE ESTIMATES®N FARM BUILDINGS redistribution boundavies of Huron suggesting that 1, Bill that they were saving this. There were many interested ,� Stewart, was quite amenable to ' government was going to come in g g g and force regional government on people. Presentations were made on the Mustard report, and that see Broadfoof In ILIIItoWell the recwmmeni3ation that he has the people? )asted most of the afteri4'�i 'n — up ,Les made. in taking in the several lnterjections,by hon. members, until shortly aft er 4 o'clock. as I townships of ,Middlesex North. Hcrm Mr. Stttw•art: Mr. recall it. I spoke on the Mustard tj Let me make it categorically S' clear that at no time did i ever 'suggest peaker. today 1 am s; ply suggesting that ttie great county report and I believe my colleague, the member for Huron, mde some even that 'to the hon. of Huron. which has oneof the comments as well, member for Huron or to anyone• greatest diversities of agriculture else at any time ever. And let inII Ontario Then. before county council that be know specifically. 4• R.F.Nixon: One of the best recessed. they decided to deal . Mr. Riddell: And at no time did members. with the matter of redistribution. Hon. Mr. Stewart: I hope my interjections by hon, members.' We w-ee, asked. the ,members hon. friend will be as fee with his Hon. Mr. Stewart: - be put'baA Jive for the area to give an account of ink in that -statement as h -ryas to together as one constituencv the latest proposal"w•ith respect to stating that 1. was prepared fib, go within its county boundaries, the rifling• boundaries. The �. along with that kind of a respecting the integrity 'of the member far Huron outlined -what suggestion, because that is Bate- county of Huron. ' the tat est proposal of the goKAwr if t ' h Hon. Mr. Stewart: Surely that, commission had- been. -i did the Wood Roof Trusses + a Residential; CornMerical, Industrial and.,Farm Construction SUPER n DISCOUNTS r r. oy. a is ._-Y. to me. would be a reasonable s me. nACU�Aft Mr. Riddell' I never made that suggestion and a'very reasonable The county was concerned and statement• proposal. wanted to submit a resolution on Hon. Mr. Stewart: But my hon. Mr'. M. Gaunt (Huron -Bruce): the matter that had been drafted WINDOWS friend then must find some of his The minister is trying to get rid of by. the executive committee of "[here Y«ur Judi! i,ng Dollar Goes The Farthest Huron county councillors telling me• county council. I want to read that - him untruths, because they are Mr. R.F. Nixon: What has the to you. Mr.Speaker. because I SEE US tei Ing us that he did indeed state minister got against the member think it is very important. tl t very fact. What is more, for Huron -Bruce? particularly in view of wbat the , J ' en the suggestion.was made Hon. Mr. Stewart: made by the Minister of Agriculture and Food NOW1 + Mr. Roy: The minister is now people of this whole area, No, 1 said. It reads as follows: • baring petty. - have nothing against him"What- The warden and members of f Hon. Mr. Stewart: - that Huron ever. 1i the Huron countjP committee andPLYWOOD'C P e r t h L t d I.; county might iwell have done the Mr. Gaunt (Liberal Huron executive committee wish to We have erection kgme as Perth did, that is to Bruce): Mr. Speaker, i wanted to report to county council 'the • Just East of � Mitehall on Hwy. 8 crews d�%p1�p =jE-, . lretgect the bbundgries of )Efuran •make a efew remarks in this • following:AT cdutity grid when tilt: niembet for' debiite. I wasn't going to enter I. Redistribution of provincial itt�olt1lfri)Ce vi+as,asked what his the debate, because isasie811y I ridings: Members of lite 3484437 tit the .present tdd tidg would be to that; he ' RIC am tta'ppy with the work of the executive committee are LOW P is t1tdH''i find' there was anything commission. I think they tried to concerned. Le't , be clearly FREE DELIVERY time 'tt''rttijfi; with it. do the very best they could with understood tha a committee is , n• , 1