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Huron Record, 1881-01-14, Page 6lipplp,r \ ,,, • • 715,11tiretirkfitirrutrivAnr.. '"," ' -r- ^-,,,--1.-miwimrrirokrirripriippimprorolloppg w It , - NM PAR rourth rarliament—Thir4 Swim OrTkvifAl An. 71 . ran OFNAUEN took the ohaie at 8 o'clock. After prayers and routine, • rerounie. Kr. WiinW presented a petitien (rem, his con ltituents, eigned by three hundred person Preying that the Pacific railway contraot sattl.pcoed. Mr.,(ixereaors (Huron) presented two Bina 1st petitions from his constituent. be, • • RIUILIC ACCOUNTS. Sir lonpuen Truant laid on the table th ptiblia,aconnts for the fiscal year Main ly 80M, 1880. Tau airway miparn stu TIP 01050 0717P0 . Dar.. Sir joint MooDotemn moved, eeconded b Sir Lame*, Timer, that from and after tin day the order of the 21st of December for th onsideratiert of the two resolutions for grant leg certain moneys and lands in aid of ill construction of the Canadian Patella railwa shall have precedence next, after routine ern meanie. Sir done Mkonottors# said that it WAS of th highest importance° that this eubject shout be dispOinki of as early as possible by th Wore*. The strongest reason for this was o seeouot of the immigration to the Northwest which would depend largely on the success o the scheme. • There ' ought not to he on • astern of immigration by the Governmen mid another by the syndicate, but instead o this there should he a concerted tuition. ' 11 believed the settlement of the • Northwes would be greatly. retarded by delaying th aped ef the ,question, and while he va willing and anxime that ample time should be given for the discussion of the proposed hargain, he saw at the same •time th neeekeity for arriving at a deoision, whateve it might be, as soon as possible. • Hen. Mr. Bum expressed hiti regret that the right hon. leader of the Government had eon flt to propose -this resolution. It vat the Atilt duty of the Germaine* to aftord ample time for arriving at public opinion and also for fall disoussion. It would be impos- sible, in the °relit of his motion passing; *ha there should be that time Outside ea well a itt the Housethat there should be for die elusion. He alluded to the faot that the Im- eri IParliament. hadjust opened, and a repletion had been proposed there similes to the one lust proposed here. There were ciscasions when siteh motions were neixissary and the state of affairs in Ireland warranted the motion in the Imperial Parliament, but the circumstances here were quite different Whet the right hon. gentleman ought •to do was to reproduce in Canada the anfortpriate' difficulties now prevailing **Ireland.' (Laughter) He had no doubt • the inotion would he carried, but it .would • interfere with the private business • of • the • Henn, and hence hewould profferbis solemn • woteet and ; dissent,. asked that the Motion should be modified so.....as to allow time tor questions immediately after routine --.1.---veradalse-thatnitoppcirtunity.should be given forlatelrmotions-as-the-GavernmentLnalght •petit* to pees Without diaousefori • Sir Jens Memo/bun Old Lie Was- glad the • hon. gentleman had ' made allusion to the • queen's speech for if•there 'ex& was any good precedent for the motion he had juet.made it --Wailliffordatrtheacticin-of•-the•-Itnperial Government. • Thequestion of ' the Pacific, railway itas no•new one. , It had beenbefore • the • country .•• and, . Parliablent RIUCe 1872, and no person weuld deny that it Was of the highest inipertinrce; -• -The otieittion of • whether the railway should be ixinsteucted by the Government or by (*company Was not the one to be disposed of. That had been com • aidered well and pronounced upon by the peo- ple. But the details of the scheme, the ex pease connected with it, should not be settled by a mass meeting, whether • the. admiseion was by ticket or net. (Laughter.) .0 was for the settlement of such matters as these that representatives of the people were -sent to Parliament. He denied empluitically. that there would , be any bar to the progress of the private or other publia bisiness of the•House. After the .disposal of ' Ibm railway contract there • would he • far greater Malty for the tranaaetion of such busineee than there could -possibly be while this matter remained in abeyance. He had no objection • to acceding to the requeet of the hen. leader of the Oppositiori with regard to.the asking of questions. -In reply to Mr. Cigigrain, Sir John Modonald said that in regard to the motions for retuias, Ole,, arrangementiletaild he made between himself and the leader of the Oppo- Sidon across the floor of the House. •• The motion was °erred. : Ton RAILWAY 010.3,ATE ausuiren: ' The House then:Went . into 'committee on the railway reiplutiom, • • Mr. Optima% resumed the debate, epeaking • Mt French for half an hour in support of the contract. • ' • . mr...cusererou said this was not d .party Matter Bud Should be looked upon from an independent standpoint, 'ansi. proceeded to eompare. the.. present centeact with the one posed in 1874. • He contended that the •kenzie;contraet wile better than the pres- ent, because the land would. have been taken along the line Of, , the rod .irrespeetive of quality. .In consiletetion .of this circum- stance the 54 without; of ores offered. by Ifnckenzie Were no more then the 25 millions. • offered now. Be .defendecl. the granting of land in blocks twenty miles square, as blocks of this size would afford eupport for °hurtles • and sehool houses whereas when there were blooka . one in le square those re - tabled by the Government *mild he settled, while those given to the syndic/its vrOuld• be. held for an inereatie of ptioe, and the result *Mkt be detached settlement& The scheme of 1874, he ciaimed, Vas also; better linen - orally than. that of 1880, as taking the cost in the former year at 120 millions as a basis; Ind considering the amount apent directly by the Government, and the memo in whit& the land was to be,given, the bonus offered to . the eyndieste as equal to a cash grant of 02 million dollars and a land grant of 60 million acre& fie then proceeded to read aneg.• tract• from .a peeeh . delivered by Win- s* in 1876, which, he claimed, • at. fended proof thet Ale opinion -0 now Were 1o1 at variance with those held by him in the Be declared Ilia opinion that it WOuld d be adviaable to proceed rapidly with the -orinalrection of the railway. It should be oftetructed by •degreee as found neceinary. Ait to British Columbia, there" was no nedes. sity for any work to be done,there at promo, sio fora considerable • tiroo to come. Ifti argued that the route propoeed was not a, good erie, expiesiing hie 'belief that in fk few yews, after million* had been spent *long the Prager River, it would he fowl thet money lig been ;brown away, Re Moiled the construction of the British Columbia motion on the ground that after a tirnii overlent* might show that a different route would be Prefer- able. Be thought it goite possible that it might be found that Port Simpson was, a bet- ter terminus than Port Moody. After refer. ring to the cost,ond operating expenses of the St. Pepl, Minneapolis * •Manitobe road. be *Aided to the coat of theBritieh.Oolumbia section, contending that the proposed expend- iture wags too greet. He contended that •the line south of Lake Superior would be better in every respect than the one north of it, arguing that it would attraot a large amount of traffic from the northweetern part of the States. He argued that it would afford a better outlet or the Oanadian Northwest, and in addition would seoure the trade from Deltas. Minnesota. Wisbonein and Washington Territory., Hence it would bona act of utter folly to build the line north.of Lake Superior; The line from Thunder Bay to the Pacific ocean he olaimed Cou1d. be built for 517,650,000 in caeh end 10,000,000 agree of and by which there would be a great ovine effected, if the build. ing of the British Columbia seotien could be Puetnoned for Ave years ite cornitruotion would emit very innoli leo that at preaent. He instanced the Northern Pacific railway, which only a few years ago wee bankrUpt and unable to raise a dollar on its land grant of 40,000,000 scree. He argued that by building the prairie section now and, waiting for years for the British Columbia and Lake Superior Notices, the value of our lands would have inorease0 no much that the el, pense of building the road would be 'greatly reduced. The present scheme was, a crude and unsatisfactory one, and required recoil- eiderMion. It being six o'clock the Speaker left the ohair. After Recess. Mr. SI_ r. COAR-TITY'e bill, entitled An Alit to TA, move doubts AS to the true construotion of • section 12 of the Northern Railway Company Act. of 11177, was read a second time. TRU RAILWAY DEUTZ. • Ur. 011AiLTON TOBAllted his epeeeli. He began by stating that what he bad to say wronld necessarily be a reiteration of much that, had already been said, as the ground Web been pretty well gone over. He then went on with his .financial calculation. • As - Burning, the land to be worth four dollars an acre, he claimed that the syndicate would be able to build the road, and have a surplue of 75•million dollars. Taking the value at three dollars an acre the eurplue would be fifty mil- lions. Growing facetionie he compared the contract to a okunk:--the more it was stirred up the worse it smelt. (Cristo of" Ohl Ohl") Then he aaid that • perhaps this mai scarcely -a fair compdrison, and . went on to, criticise various mobilo:ma of the contract, condemning each and all -of them as being extravagant, and contended that the bargsin wae little short of a great crime. ' Referring to the Union Pacific, he said that the grant of land to that road extended all along the line, and incliag sterile and barren land, as well as good arable soil ; the syndicate would receive 6,250 acres per niile more than was ,myetetelhe Union-Pacifio; .and thisevalued at 54 an acre, wourriereemprdifforenee-o 885,000per mile, or, at $2; it would be 812,•, 500 per nail°. Proeeeding further, he stud that the United • States Government, in granting a charter to the Union Pacific, had retained -power to repeaLor_araiand_the stot at any time, but in thia case no such power was retained, - Sir Joint Mmeameen- That °power is given in the Interpretation act. • Mr. Oxisersois—po 1 unaerstana the Hon the First Miniiiter to tell no that when thi contract homes •law this Goronment o this Parliament can turn round and repeal the set and set aside the,contraet Sir Jona' MACDONALD—The hon. gentle man asks if the power -is retained or not. I the hon. gentleinan will look at the Laterpr tation aot he will find that power. • • Mr. Oneuvros said he did not believe there was any probability or even possibility that the contract when once passed could be'repealed. He west on to denounce the clauseexerapting the lands of the syndicate from taxation, orgunig that taxes should be imposed in order tolforce the sale of the lauds 'by the company. The previeion preventing the con. struction of competing lines in certain direc- tions was the greatest (iutrage of the contract. It established a huge monopoly and gave the sole control of the Northwest to the company. If similar arrangements were granted in the 'United States it would inevitably lead; te a revolution. He warneO the Govermnent that their action would lead to some suoh result. This tremendous wrong would never be borne by a free people. The provisions regarding the building of branch lines and the levying of rates were denounced in succession. Allu- sion was made to the public debt, ana •the speaker declared -that by • the tome of the bargain this would be increased. by $48,000,000, bringing the total •up to 8189,000,000. He then recapitulated 4 great portion of hie epeecla,, and in (dosing said he would not be surprised if at tome future time the members of the Government world have a reputation such as they would not wish to have. In fact they might have a medal struck in their honer on which there would be a head with falling ears and pensive coun- •tenance, that of a meditative donkey. Sir /one Women—They will put your head on it. (Laughter.) Mr. Ceenemon continued a few ' raoments longer and.then sat down (mid appbutse from the Opposition, benches. • tint "wet 000 entbuillesel which had tetteet place. A telegrem, bad keen sent from Ottawa Nome hino. before the edjournment, *eking Ponta of the faithful to get up s meet,. big. *Reform friend of hie 4Patterion'el, for he had Pianist BOOM friends in hie had expreesed regret that Charlton had not reached Windsor, alt -traveling that distance might have: obanged his, mind, ami be might hare made a semich in trier of the syritli- mite. (Laughter.) Ho geyeg, Mr. Chariton did not appear,. and, ineteeci of playing first violin at Windeor, had- toplay emend fidcUe at London. HO sincerely oendemned the jnSin. MO and Anfair methode Permed by the Op- position .speakers in their peregrinaticate *mesh the country. They had Opposed the truth and uttered, Untruths; thOr Palk"' watt to deride, and they would Wive their re Ward, He had met an old gentleman at Chatham a few der 4130.1010 had 40k0fibiln 0010 ben. 4.0hU A. W44 getting along. On being told jokingly that 4, John A. Vale not doing very well in this ease," he replied that it was all right. He bad beard Mackenzie shortly before the last, general election and had eupported the Reform winditate,- But that was all 011aUgea per.. The country was Proseeteue, and ho "would rather have dehn A. e, little wrong than yen manBlake, whether right or wrong," (Great leughter,) Ide (Pat- terson) invited Mr. Charlton to come to.Essex, where he would meet with a good reception; but it would be on one 'condition, nainely, teat ho. would promise not to change his mind: Ile eharply rebuked the, hoe. gentle- man for tile language need by him When in London, where he had euggestedthat the syndicate migut afford to spend one million dollars in order to get the contract pissed. MY, Charlton thould be the last man to maim such' a mean insinuation. Though he prob. ably knew himself beet, isinee he cense from a county where there was more corruption than any other. 'Wherever there was * city or n town there was a bogs, and in every counsel there was a ring. Canada bee not sunk so low as Olio, (Applause.) The lion. member for South Idurin(hir. Gilmer* had talked in a eirailar strain, and had mid soznit thing about accepting a Judgeship. He *mild adviee that hon. gentleman if he should get a Judgeship to . prey daily ; "pend ris not into temptation." (Laughter.) •Ad..' verting to the illness of hon. Mr. Mackenzie, he expressed his pleasure at fleeing the hon. gentleman again in his place. It was s sin- gular occurrence, but when the. late Govern, melt were in povier Mr. Blake.wsui frequently unwellvand-therefore-found-it convenient not to ['peak in oupport of the policy of the hen, Member for Leinbton. The honorable gentleman also tonna it difficult to vote at timee when a -division • wee oombig on. Ilia coat Mile would vanisk. through the) doorway, and his vote would not be reoorded, He would probably find his way to the Senate in order to strengthen some of the party repeesentativem there ;• or perchance he *old go and Mart a newspaper in oppoeition to the man to whom he (Blake) !awed everything,. and who Was hie political creator. The hen. gentleman preferred being a private in,the ranks of the: great Reform party, which -wield fled nothing to reform. True, he had reformed: the item of cab hire at Ottawa; and he'hed gone to South Bruoe and boasted of the aohievement, but on the very first opportunity thereafter be had been defeated at the polio, (Laughter _ end tip! '718teleit:Ttifeharge4-the--Opriositieri ,-leader with being a tho llibIh1 blid-Sefinced to meet an opponent in fair dismission in what might almost,be called his•native eity .; had refused to address a meeting 'unless it wee -packed withkb poliliool friends, -0-Shades,of .Burke,..and Grottanotid.eumen, of Plunkett, and Tierney, of O'Connell and ShielOS Bele the,epeaker„ "leek .doWn en your degbnerate fellow -countryman,. who fondly • imagines that ini...copeentrates; 'Jiff his. own Magnificent peva* the quinteMenoe of all $ your'powere, and yet who, in what May be "orilledheinative city, under the shade* of A greatunivereity of which he was an ormi. Mont, andof which he la DOW the presiding chantellor,:Within the echoes of the corridors i of those courts of • law in which his persuashre and eilyery tonee may be any day heard with 'pleasure tind inatruction to hill hearers"and with huge profits to ,himself, who, under these favorable eireinnetences, • :and with: these advantages, fears to encounter in public 4isoussion item the- public platform, on one. of the greet questions of the day,.'a litibe doctor from, a fishing village 'in NOVA ,1300tia." .(Laughter.) ' He -went on to 'show. up the glaring inoonsistenoiee of thelleform leaders, contrasting their speeches of eight or nine • months ago with those delivered, by them . bfr. Peinnsoze (Essex) followed. He eord- teemed by alluding to the holiday agitation, taunting the Opposition with their.disastrone failure. • The Knight from Napanee had gate about the country ' denortheing the railway contraet wherever 1*, could' find two or three that together, while'lliCreember for South Ontario,. like liaildname's &mutineer, was down in the cellar running the machine. The hom raember for Duluth (Weed Durham) had addressed several meetinge Where he 4:Io0ia have matters his own way. • The hon, member for lyeStEYgin (Cagey) had also aired his eloquence, though as he had been told in St. Thomas, a few evenings ago, that the man who shot' a tow for a crow wat not ht to criticise the contract. (Laughter). Thehon. zrieraber for North Norfolk ((harlton) had also been around to gone extent,It had been announced that the honorable gentleman wail tO appear ha' Windsor. He 4Pattersot) had noticed an advertisement in the Gfobe, Mating that Oharlton was to addrese a meeting in ihat town on the 2/th of December, but he failed to connect. Whee he (Patterson) returned home he diseoVered within the past month. Referring to Charl- • ton, he said that gentleman's course re- minded him of the following Why is a pump Vietiount • Castlereagh Because it is an awkward thing of ' wood, which up and down its olunisy arm doth away, and spout, and spout. end *out away, in one weak, wishy-washy, ever. lasting flood. Applause and- laughter.) Mr. Charlton Said he was through when he Was done, but the feet was he was never through referring to the syndicate 'bargain. He declared himself in fayor of it as a whole, and elainted that he openly favored it in the rune way. There were seine who objeoted 10 this or that provision, but they would not on this,accotint approve of refusing the' contract., He claimed that intdead of the road being a burden on the country the lands would not only repay all the. sebsidy, but would leave a large surplus to devote to re. clueing the debt of the Dominion and relieve the pressure on the older provinces. Re held 'that if the bargain appointed to be a hard one it was canoed bythe °Mien of the Oppoeition in depreciating the value of • the lands, and thought that if the hon. gentleman opposite had heartily joined in the Government's efforts a year ago to build the road a bargain could have been made for half the money eubsidy :pia ranch less land. (Applause.) The gentl man oppesite had olauned thet the road would cost from six millions to eight minims a year to pay the mining creatures, and he considered that the Government ought to be complimented on having got rid of that loa by trans- ferring the road to the syndicate. He had not much conlidenee in. the Government emigration schemes, bemuse unfortunately the °Migration agents MATO usually hooka from both parties, who, atter trying to 40 their duty for a few mouth& subsided into quietly doing nothing but drawing their salariessoind he thought one oi the best features ef the contract was that the oorapariy would be the best imraigratian *gents Canada ever had, and the bureau) of the population alone • would be enough to reomm the country, even if the lands yielded nothhtg Bo Mended the Minister of Railways from the attacke which haa been Made on him, and oomplimented the -loader of the Government on the great sue- Sate n developing and uniting the -001MtrY wisfeh bad attended his „ admin. letretions, end behind' that, under hie. wiso rule, the country was only now enter- ing. upon anew era of proeperity, suid.Would continue to; grow in wealth aus importance. The bon, gentleman took his seat suid much epplau,se, after having :apoken an hear end e bRalli•eeell.throrm M'r'4)11r4"e T13era ga 4a -MrtttheI°"4047fhtlic n wrai: the latter in Support of it, Mr. luann,ax moved the adjournment of the debate, and the Mouse adjonimed at• a.m.. . • . Ovialva, Jam 10.the lams/One too:stnhemair,at ll r After prayers and routine, Petitionagainat the ayndleate contrzon were Preeented by Mears. fieeithtirri ('4oe- kritut), filaodounell, GiWea ctuthrie, Cagey, SeriVen Trow and Cartwright. The petitions averaged thirty aignaturee ditch. .rnivera • floriunvz introduced a hill to incorpor- ate the Eastern Boilwot Company. Mr. Cannon (Viotoria)---Bill to inorpor. ate theWest Bourne & Northwestern Railway Oompany, • flam—Bill to incorporate the Metro- politan Eire Insurance Company of. Canada. gussrions. Sir A. J., Sidon, asked for the amount of gnaw and netearnings of the Pembina branch railway from let of January, 1880, to Decent. Ture 4erirti.1i an488nti 'ari Sisaid the infOrmation aelted for had not yet been received., • Mr. DM:lames asked whet ie the. estimated value of the work performed under the rail- way contract, with A. Ondereonk or assigns of the Canadian Pacific railway between Erne*? . and Savonia ferry, llionloopit lake, up to or about December lat, 1880 and what bi tbe aMourit of money that was paid to A. Onderdonk or asaigns on remount 61 said work up to and sipce December lat,.1880. • Sir (Memo Term old thattheestimated value of the work to the. 3lat December, 1880, Was 5408,506, and the amount paid to Mr; Onderdmik was that sum less 10 per Ont. for drawheoks, . Hon. Mr, Items coreplained that an oppor 'unity was not given for the introduction of •publie hills. • He professedto believe that this motion was not interfered with brtho. nietien passed on Friday in reference to the railway* debate. . •• • , Shrjonti Meoreetem eaid the purport of the motion. referred to ought to have been understood, by every member in the ,House.• The object of that motion lea to prevent any other business ooming up.after ' routine until ,the railway debate had been disposed of. • • •• ran nits.W.tv mom. „ The /Woe went irito committee on the rill - way resolutions, Mr. Kirkpatrick in theithair. Mr. Letter= resumed the debate.. He stated that Iron the time British Columbia was admitted into the Union he wee in favor of constrtieting theePacifie railway. • He pro- -oeeded to . 'contrast the present prop- osition with Others which had been considered . for the building of the, road, &elating the present to be vastly More favorable then any. :previous one. He made. separate coruparsons, reeks:Ming' the land. as worth one .aud two dollars an .acre, sheWhIfi Oar thicagigegate--eipenditure-tinderAhe.. centred_ WaaAnen.y.._reillienikless than:had ever been deemed passible before: • He talented' the Opposition with • tbayery sudden ohange.Whith had taken pleats in their esti, imiittlitri'eteodf :t.thhatity.,athlueief vt.tehreeifiertand145. whereas only three months 'ago they Were prepared to insist that they, were, net, yeeeth one dollar. Beferring to the quality of •the land to be -given to the syndicate, he denied that, as had •been stated, they *Mild be •fillowed to go °retina. aod . select it Wherever they ohotie, • They were only to have land of fair., average quality and be thought that those who claimed ollierwisehad not read the contract, or bitting reed it were unable to interpretit cerreotly: (Applause), He Ontendedthat if the eynclicate: lands Were, worth13.18• per ore, then the 75.000,- 000 scree retained by the Government would be worth the nine amount per acre, and out of this he .clainted the Governineut would realize ertongh, not only to repay' the eubsidy bat g� iehnig diStanee towards' ming off the whole debt °Utile Dominion: Alluding .0 theoursd'ef the hon. leader of -the • Oppoid- tiotilie oaf& it reminded him.of some lines in Burnie alletah of Charles ADIONFor : •• • "With knowledge so vast and with judgment so • .i...,14owrstrmoolianglig: With' 'the haif of th, em e'er WSW fin • PleAlettia°41;VimcgareiAtZillt' • • •• . •: (Roars of laughter, .diaing 'which the Op-, position leader applied- himself-. diligently to, the study of h newspaper). ; . • ' ; Mr. Vermeer contintung expressed ,laie amazement at the extraordinary change of hese displayed by some of the Oppoeitionr: •and•turning his atteetion-to the member for North; Nerfolk; (Charlton), he said that gentlemen's peculiarities' suggested the con- tinuance- a his. poeficatequotations. The lines.impeared to fit -him preoisely.• • •"ettioodokszpord, whet Is num, for so simple he •.; Drier' boonktutfy to develop his hooke.tind his • With his depths Mid kis sheik:4%11h' good • ' end , An in all . he is a problem must onstioihe ' • (Renewed laughter • from: all parte Of the House.) Proceeding with his reniarks he teferredles.the ewriership of the road. He contended :that it world be the best Possible thing to give the road to the company. Even - if the Government should go on and cora; plete the road !coin end tO end it would pay .thein to,give it to an,company Who would. operate it for all time-. to come.. (Applause). Fie did not holier° in. the Government hole. ing railroad& . The country had sortie et. .perience in this way in Connection with the interoolouial railway,by which him. duds of thenearids of dollare hail beenlest year by Year. • True, the hon. Minieter of Railways had,ohtuaged this state of affaird to a great eXtent, and there would probably soon be A eUTOUS. But, what world bethe MOM should the Government of the &inn - try fall once into•the hands of the mot who had WOrked,so ninoli tuin to .the oeuntry while they hole power? • (Applailee.) IXe toitupdthe Opposition with endeavoring to protraet the debate in order to raise an seta - Bert in the ormi2try, expressing his • sorrow, however, thatthey had notbeertraorestioteate int Oiling they had so retyfew ortembsoleora- fort. (Latighter) He condenined in severe tertna the ootirse Which the Oppoeition were in the habit of taking, that of disparaging the Owenby: They had been singing a dole- ful' dfrge for years paid, deerying the dot -inky, • „ and hehelleved bad their tern of Ade 0Ons tinned for another five years, Canada, woUI4 either have been lauded in thellnited OUtee, where ha hollered half ot thery would like to - be now, Olt would have been Milted WO, e bank byderrioloPrtilaYi. iii(LMMiecialfaPtir4oro.Uneih)IyRine,"steevieura6ot uthice:21.:°,tr"tal:aw:t.ilitcwas best that. the road aboU14, Ur R (Middlesex) there were thr p n h both parties were be taunt by a. company, that part of the publio lands ehorild be set apart to meet the wet, aud that the road,' thould not be proceeded w 11 r !fa trhateewldebi;Pro Uw°viuludeneQst. inTre d aatIntohnne a0 the bargain with British Colembia as luta- oils, and one that should never have been• , brauatd eitteTbagre eLemibeenrati hii:viarntyg hbaetionoppmoadeede thite, Liberala were prepered to stand by it, under the terms he had mentioned. freobjeeted to the present contract, on, the ground of atm- vagance, end aloe condemned the ginistryfor having ruade a bargain without having advertised for tondos. Better terms might have been seeered bit that way, and he : *mild not be.surprised if abetter offer should be made within the ?text few days. He oh - tooted to•the principle of giving grants of Ind for the building of railroads, awl in - Mewled the fact that the Republican party in the United States had inade it a plank in their platform that no more of the piddle lands ohmic' .he given foe railways. fie quoted frora a minute of the Council in 1866 • to show that the (lonservative Government of that day opposed the granting of lit,ge blooke of -public lands to private corporations . to be blooked tip from gettlement. In allusion to the value of the lands he pointed. out that . by the Allan contract of 1870 the minirapra .. • price of the lands was fixed at 52,50 per sore, . while the present Minister of Beltways had held them to be worth SO per acre if perinis-• sion was given to seleot 'them. • There were • onlyabout aeveziteen millions of acres. under • , cultivation in the Dominion, and on this area. the Whole p.rosperity of the country rested. He olaimed it would be a very serious matter to give away such a large trot as 25,000,000, • soma.- He WAS opposed to, the building of • • the whole road with too great rapidity, giving - it as his opinion that the British Columbia, • and Lake . Superior aeotions were not needed at present,as they' Geoid not possibly , sweat immigration. They were no use • ' • for eoriaraerce, and were only being built; for sentimental reasons. He blainted they •• would (mat 465,300,000, , and that -was too, rauch. • If the contract should be carried out • " the vublio debt would be increased •tor • • 5200,-000,000 in the next ten year& A result.- • of that would be that the United States world Soon be able to assert the Afonroa. deatrine and destroy :our political institutions. • He. mentioned that all that was no3esearY was • , the building Of the Satilt 'Ste., Marie branch •• . • and prairie section -and the completing of.the ' Thunder.Bay branch. • This would save • • the , building of 1,190 miles' .. of railway octwlaimioht.r.y.wer60.0mo d8.0. inomr u the ot hn..degbatel a ,thet some length from speeches delivered by the COnserviitive members. ,..of • tho Senate • and • , House of Orentions in-) favor. of the 'ElaiAt • branch: .. • . • . ' • • It being six o'olook 'the Speaker .left the • • • Atter Rodeos.• • • • . • , contintied-thLgtOenhit_devoting • .• • ' hie attention fik some.time. longer tosetting forth the aainuttages of the Sault breech. He . • • . went on making 'objectionte to various points • of the contract.. He contended that the own- • piny wont& hive the' privilege' of seleetWg., tkelp,poo.,osAl acres. anyvtlxere,.. they . pleased . • • • in. the Northwest; great " 131400,a(tritilt basi jhori, !men_ made. He• • • took strong groundieainat the provision giv- . • .• • ' • -77- ing exeniption- from duties: on certain ' • , materials to be used in' the first construetkin - • of the,railway, 'denouncing it ae a sacrifice -of • • • .of.the-National.Polioy:- He argued that the .. • -„ peopte. generally hilv,e to pay duty on the • • ertieleementioned as exempt. The syndicate • should be forced to do the same. He claimed • that the privileges. Wien ip connection with thebuilding a branch lines formed the' • • worn feature of the whole bargain. The 26,000,000 tierce would he composed of the beat land in the country as the-companyWere • allowed to Project branchea.. wherever they . chose..: They could have the ehozoo. • of •the ,• . best, by:propSoting braohee and selecting it . along them. . This, was dearly a most. disas- t roue -monopoly which • was. being Owned. ▪ " The .exeinpting 01 road from taxation . ttaasif,anntyiresluyoli e ho .waesnt wHeed droieda dingle railway in t .-»United States. In some • , caeca the roads were exempt from actual ------taxes, but in all such cases the railwaf .companies . had'to pay a percentage of 'their earnings to the GoUrnment. In proof of. this he quoted from American railway% etatiaties. Referring to the . exemptions in New- Brunswick, :hs ' • eaid that all the railways there were treated alike and the exemptions. did ' not•apply•to- profits. •Thepeople of the Northwest world. have to tax themselves -extra in order tnmaka up the deficiency created by this The eitemption •of the lands from taxation. for twenty years, Or until sold or 000npied, , was next. taken up.., lie denied that taxes could be imposed on these lands when ,they . . • were taken possesaion ef by the syndicate; • ' the settlers on the 'Government lands would • be hewers of weed and drawers.' of water' to. • the syndicate, Be objected- to the °Iroise.. • • • making the Dominion Government mishit in the immigration scheme of the ocimpany,' and claimed that the two or three hundred thous:, and dollars a year spent on the Immigration Department would be spent for bringing over immigrants to settle on the cOnipany'rtiand. Be also took exception te the company's being . ramie a elose•corporation ; that the stet* was - out transferable and 'held that . the stook- booki should have been thrown. open to the whole'Dominion; and the works , made a natioeal one as under the Allen Iontrtiot, in , which every profince was proportionally re-. • „, presented. He objected to the onaieeion of any provisima for the inspection of the road, • • • magma the cempany could build any kind' of reatthey pleased, and the • Government • • . resened no power to judge , of its quality. , Be pointed out that tim Allan. :contract pro.; •vided far the conireyenee. of . the military: at fixed retell., while there was 00 such provision . in the present oontraet. • Another objectiona- ble feature was that the company could take - porsetision of any coal or mineral lanclet and • could °testae% monopoly in an the coal in the • . Northwest. He entered into a comparison of the Maekencie terns of 1874, which he con- . • • tended Isere oilly equal 'to 869 000,000. • as °entrained, with 878,000,000 estimated by the Minister of Hallways as the subsidy to the. company. He denied, however, that the subsidy °Mar the contraet Wasonly 078.0000 000, for there was no meant' of estimating . the eitinnionti value of the yaribus (desert;